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  • This is a sideline point to the nutso suggestion of DQ'ing someone for drafting a non-brevet rider, but when I DIY'd Hell of the Ashdown it did feel weird. I am not saying anything one way or the other, but Audax does have its own (calendar) events, and then perms if you can't make the day. So is there something particular in the "spirit of audax" - wildly nebulous as it is - about the DIY of 'I'm doing my absolute own thing on my own day', which joining a grand fondo with 1500 other people misses the point of? That's a question.

    On the other hand, cmon, Audax is a russian doll of niche pursuits and someone with the wherewithal to submit the route as a DIY and then complete the distance within time and generating income via DIY brevets must be a positive thing? I am not sure I could identify the actual issue at hand.

  • I am not sure I could identify the actual issue at hand.

    I think it's that non-audax events might be "sportives" which some audax people have a weird tribal/aesthetic aversion to. Even though in practice in UK terms (ignoring closed road events) sportives are pretty much indistinguishable from audaxes except you get handed a gel at a "feed stop" rather than a slice of cake at a "control".

  • What's the saying?

    Sportives are people pretending to race
    Audaxes are people pretending not to race

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