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  • But these words have meaning separate from the political spectrum of the nation in which they are operating. Take Harris and regard her policy platform (what little there is of it beyond 'the other guy is bad') and it is not a left platform.

    In fact, we don't even have to talk in abstracts here we can just run back to 2016 to see what the concrete differences between a left candidate (Bernie Sanders (who would've won)) and a centrist (Hillary Clinton, loser) look like. At which point it becomes apparant that the left, as distinct from the centre, has more to offer than:

    'it will be better trust me bro' or broad philosophical concepts like 'democracy is at stake'

  • Bernie Sanders (who would've won)

    Just joshing (kinda)

    IMO there is a fundamental misunderstanding not about what Real Left and Real Right is, but rather the fundamental orientation of the country. The UK and the US (the US more so now than when I left in the Bush Jnr years) are fundamentally conservative countries. I think it's the Left's delusion that we live in a liberal country run (or ran, whatever) by Conservatives. They are conservative countries run either by liberals or conservatives, depending on the era.

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