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  • There are discussions in Germany to re-introduce conscription in the face of the threat from Putin. I don't know about France.

    Conscription was still in force when I left school and I did civilian service (the conscientious objector's option), which was slightly longer than army service (both had already been cut significantly) but much preferable. I was grateful I could do it, as I still didn't know what I wanted to do, and this period was very valuable. Many of those I knew who got out of serving in either way (phony doctors' certificates ...) ended up in careers they hated and later wished they hadn't started studying so early.

  • Tbh I don't think I've met any German under I guess 50ish? would did military service over the civilian service.

    I was impressed with how fucking livid my dad was with the whole military service thing. I was a bit to tired to get into it and unpack his wrath. But thought it was a good reminder that for lots of boomers there are memories of French, Portuguese, American and Australian friends who were killed after being conscripted in aid of pointless wars.

  • Between 1947 and 1963, a total of 395 (British) National Servicemen were killed on active service.

  • Tbh I don't think I've met any German under I guess 50ish? would did military service over the civilian service.

    I have, plenty.

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