• Just saw you in the Berlin thread.
    The German answer is intec m1, no?
    No idea how heavy and definitely boring.

  • Good question.
    Frames are also as German as it gets?
    They can be quite nice built up, radspannerei probably has one.

  • They are sort of oem? Not the nicest finished frame I’ve had, but it’s the one I’m most attached to.
    Have had it built up with both drops and flat bars - loaded and unloaded.
    The M1 has the massive head tube every surly lacks so you can tall stack height without a massive amount of spacers

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