• As others have said, you could just ride a bit further away and the reply from the school will probably be likewise.

    @MCamb maybe I'm reading this differently to you but I don't think @.mo. is pushing blame onto the op for being in the zone, rather advising that the best way of avoiding getting doored is to ride defensively and I don't think they should be called out for saying this.

  • ok, to try and clarify what I'm saying, is that in the context of raising awareness about the dutch reach what cyclists do to ride defensively almost shouldn't be mentioned (from the POV of drivers and passengers).

    In the context of general cycle safety yes riding defensively is incredibly important. but batting away the suggestion to open car doors safely by saying cyclists shouldn't even be there removes the sense of responsibility from drivers and passengers.

    hopefully that clears up my view a bit?


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