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Having been gaslit by sensible society for 4 or so years, yeah, it’s pretty shitty that the obvious gets printed by a QC and suddenly the superior types are “well, yes both sides of course”. Except that’s a complete volte face from the public line that’s been taken for the last 4 years, which has basically been “the left are dirty antisemites and it’s all their fault”. Now we are pivoting to “ah yes both sides are bad” so fast it should make your head fall off. If it’s “both sides” - which fine I’ve long stated that Corbyn should have been more ruthless and fucked the right directly into the sun before they could do all this damage - then why has it taken an internal report to discern that fact? What was the press doing in the interim? Because it sure seems like there was a lot of scrutiny on one faction in the Labour Party, and a mysterious lack of scrutiny on another. You’d think something like “senior members of the party ringing a bell in celebration when they expel a member” wouldn’t be too difficult for a dogged lobby hack to unearth.
Countless people on the left - including many Jewish members - have been tossed from the party and suffered public opprobrium for saying the exact same things that have been said in this report. Will there be any similar consequences for those on the right who have cynically made a political weapon out of antisemitism (which is, btw, a grossly antisemitic thing to do), not to mention all the other horrible racist and ablist behaviour they demonstrated? I strongly doubt there will be, and that is highly demonstrative of how politics and the press operate in the UK.
To be fair, I think that most people who vote Labour don't follow these things and will base their opinions on this report and how the factions react to it.
Either way, time to stop this shit and win an election.
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100% this
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In other words “let’s ignore all this inconvenient shit that completely contradicts what everyone has been saying for the last five years”
Had I come in here three days ago and stated the blindingly fucking obvious - that the Labour right had weaponised antisemitism against the Labour left - then I would have been hounded out again as a conspiracy theorist, and likely accused of being an antisemite.
Three days later, that blindingly obvious fact is now acceptable discourse, thanks to a chap with some letters after his name giving everyone permission to believe their own lying eyes.
To me, that is a very interesting phenomenon, worthy of reflection, highly reflective of how ideology functions in the UK, and strongly indicative of the horribly corrosive nature of our press in particular.
But no, “both sides bad”, file in the big black hole we dumped the chilcot report into and let’s go win an election.
Big_Ted
Eejit
Having been gaslit by sensible society for 4 or so years, yeah, it’s pretty shitty that the obvious gets printed by a QC and suddenly the superior types are “well, yes both sides of course”. Except that’s a complete volte face from the public line that’s been taken for the last 4 years, which has basically been “the left are dirty antisemites and it’s all their fault”. Now we are pivoting to “ah yes both sides are bad” so fast it should make your head fall off. If it’s “both sides” - which fine I’ve long stated that Corbyn should have been more ruthless and fucked the right directly into the sun before they could do all this damage - then why has it taken an internal report to discern that fact? What was the press doing in the interim? Because it sure seems like there was a lot of scrutiny on one faction in the Labour Party, and a mysterious lack of scrutiny on another. You’d think something like “senior members of the party ringing a bell in celebration when they expel a member” wouldn’t be too difficult for a dogged lobby hack to unearth.
Countless people on the left - including many Jewish members - have been tossed from the party and suffered public opprobrium for saying the exact same things that have been said in this report. Will there be any similar consequences for those on the right who have cynically made a political weapon out of antisemitism (which is, btw, a grossly antisemitic thing to do), not to mention all the other horrible racist and ablist behaviour they demonstrated? I strongly doubt there will be, and that is highly demonstrative of how politics and the press operate in the UK.