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  • It is not a reference to Zarah Sultana. Some in STW, yes. Anyone talking about buffer zones or spheres of influence needs to do some thinking about their worldview.

    You've still not said who it's a reference to. Maybe instead of making vague and ambiguous insinuations towards about "the left" which people can, and do, read to mean what they want, you can be a bit more precise and name the people on the left who don't "recognise the people of Ukraine have a right to self determination" and think Ukraine should "simply accept being a vassal state of Putin." I'm fairly sure that, if there are any, it's a very small number. So painting an entire part of the political spectrum with that accusation is a bit disingenuous (verging on dangerous in such a politically charged atmosphere).

  • If you look at my post I said the far left, not the left. I'm not going to produce a list, but George Monbiot hit the nail on the head in this thread:

    https://twitter.com/GeorgeMonbiot/status­/1497511988322258948

    I will give you one example - Richard Medhurst.

    In terms of STW, I know we went over this ground last week, but I can't reconcile how they believe Ukraine should be entitled to "self-determination", but it should also be barred from seeking to join international organisations.

    Just while you are jumping on me, can I ask why it is ok to call Keir Starmer "a brazenly hawkish flag shagger", as was written in the post I responded to and that started this dialogue? Is that temperate language? What have I said about anyone that is worse than that?

  • In terms of STW, I know we went over this ground last week, but I can't reconcile how they believe Ukraine should be entitled to "self-determination", but it should also be barred from seeking to join international organisations.

    We did go over this. And I'll make this point again: No one is barring them from seeking to join. The position is that no one has a sovereign right to be a member of Nato (or any other international organisation). This is a position shared by many people on the left and the right and the centre. It is a sane position. It is not a position unique to STW.

    But that's a different conversation. You claimed there are people on the "far left" who don't "recognise the people of Ukraine have a right to self determination" and think Ukraine should "simply accept being a vassal state of Putin." I don't think this is a particularly widespread view and it's annoying to keep reading it spewed as fact.

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