• I hate the Times but having worked in PR for 20 years and for a very big news agency for seven of those I've dealt with more national journalists than anyone would ever want to. It has to be said that these days the Guardian is often just sloppy. Well meaning, but sloppy, with some often super crap journalism.

    The Times tends to be much more thorough and journalistically sharper, but it's editorially evil, running misguided campaigns against vulnerable groups and fuck me does it bear grudges.

    Basically all newspapers are shit. The FT is the one exception I can think of right now but it's pretty much a slave to mammon isn't it?

  • It has to be said that these days the Guardian is often just sloppy. Well meaning, but sloppy, with some often super crap journalism.

    I’d disagree but am interested to hear why you think that. Can you give examples

  • The best example for me was when Megan Markle was in the news and they were running multiple articles every day on the subject. FFS give it a rest its hardly worth one article.

  • I've dealt on multiple occasions with Guardian journalists with a sloppy approach. They make mistakes (then it's almost impossible to get them corrected), they do things like leave a voicemail on a clearly unattended phone line then tell you they've asked you for comment (any decent news organisation persists in asking for comment if they don't initially get a response, asking twice is an absolute minimum, and I'm talking about when press officer's details are a quick google away), they misspell names, get job titles and facts wrong...

    Honestly I can't remember many specifics as I try to do as little PR as possible these days and manage people who do instead because I got sick of it and I've tried to block a lot of it out! But is your disagreeing based on working in the media? Because there are a lot of people who read the Guardian and think it's great but unless you've been involved behind the scenes the mediocrity of their journalism isn't as apparent.

    I now work for a (left wing) university and so many academics want to be in the Guardian. They're a nightmare to pitch to as well, they run so much stuff based on personal contacts which is ironic because surely that lack of meritocracy goes against everything they stand for?!

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