• @wildwest They're rarely seen outside of the U.S. which immediately makes them that bit more special. Nothing about the tubing makes it inherently better than 853/Spirit. It was True Temper's highest end tubing.

    I don't think it's fair to call it just a normal TIG frame. Waterford have been making bikes for almost thirty years, hence, the welds are perfect. In my own personal experience, I have two handbuilt TIG'd frames from very different companies and there's no contest in how well one of them is finished versus the other, despite both using high end tubes. One looks relatively agricultural and hand made and the other looks like it was made by a weld perfecting robot. I can barely even see the welds.

  • Tbh..tig is the quickest and lowest cost way to make a frame. And excellent welds can be seen on even cheap bikes from the far east, by workers that churn them out by the hundreds.
    Nothing wrong with a tig welded frame but it's not special handmade touch/details... without the paint it would be indistinguishable from another similar less desirable brands.

  • I have two handbuilt TIG'd frames from very different companies and there's no contest in how well one of them is finished versus the other

    This is revealing

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