• Sanction the cunt. There are safe urban driving courses. Hopefully it’d teach other drivers not to behave in this fashion.

    Boohoo if they lose their job. Work related road risk - no one should be put at risk of harm as a result of someone’s job. If they are unable to drive properly they need to find a new career.

  • I do not know what you are employed as but, if in your workplace, you make a mistake, others are very annoyed but no one is hurt - would you accept having your employment terminated as a fair sanction?
    In the situation above, it is plain to me the the driver was at fault. If he stopped and apologised (honestly and frankly) to the cyclist would this be raised to a higher level?
    There was a video on Reddit where a car pulled out in front of a motorcycle and the car driver stopped and profusely apologied for his MISTAKE. That was the end of it.
    People make mistakes driving every day, rarely to they apologise. Maybe it is worth considering.
    I am not taking any sides in this at all just considering options.

  • That isn’t a mistake. It was a wilful decision to overtake when not appropriate. It’s a failure to follow the rules of the road. Given the inherent risks he should be sanctioned. If it’s first offence then it may just be fine and points on licence. If it’s part of a bigger pattern then the sanctions ought to escalate. If that means change of job so be it.

  • It’s a crime

    If he’d apologised you could argue it was an honest mistake. I know he’s probably feeling defensive, but it seems like he doesn’t care or thinks what he did was right. Because I have access to customer data at work, I have quarterly training so that I know what is legitimate use and that I can be fired and reported to the authorities for misuse. I would imagine the bus companies have similar, if only for insurance. I don’t think the driver has an excuse

    Edit- ah didn’t notice the extra page. To add though, I have sympathy for people doing their job, but if your job gives you a capacity for harm you should be aware of it and take responsibility.

  • I do not know what you are employed as but, if in your workplace, you make a mistake, others are very annoyed but no one is hurt - would you accept having your employment terminated as a fair sanction?

    I think in all lines of work you have things that can be done even accidentally that fall under a zero tolerance policy. I was speaking with a dustcart driver a few days ago that had 6 month suspension for collecting a black bin bag from the roadside as it was seen to be private waste and not the council bins they had been told to collect. Honest mistake but they have a policy so people can't get cash in hand for other rubbish. I can think of dozens of jobs where data misuse would get you fired instantly(my own included). Any jobs involving cash handling and clear instructions on how/when it should be handled.

    With driving jobs they do have more training than other drivers and are held to higher standards. For many coaches/buses/trucks the driver would have had not only more training and expectation but also sensors and warnings in the cab as they got closer to a rider, it's a very conscious choice to ignore all them things.

    It's also the wider impact of incidents, many companies just don't want drivers who take those risks as they have come to understand that when they do eventually kill someone from habitually bad driving the impact will be felt company wide as they lose contracts and gain a poor/unsafe reputation.

    Often with this stuff the mistake the driver is saying sorry for is getting caught and not how they had been driving or attitude they have towards the road. Unfortunately very few and far between where it's a learning point for a driver.

    edit - ps don't send people on safer urban driving as a punitive measure it just gives the instructors a really hard day

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