• I don't see how a bilateral negotiation will fix this. Every EU country can set its own rules...that's why The Netherlands is such a PITA.

    It is because every country can set its own rules that bilateral negotiations are necessary (if a change is possible/desired) re: dual citizenship. This is actually one area of the Brexit negotiations which the EU would potentially not be a discussant.

    If the EU wants to override that...

    Override what? The right for individual members to dictate citizenship rights? I don't think anyone is suggesting that.

    It will also not fix the issue for UK nationals in the EU

    Yup, this is absent from the discussion. And as a UK national living in the EU, something I'm concerned about.

    The EU has already offered everything to stay the same, the UK won't have it because of the EJC. Perhaps another court can work, but the author is not suggesting that either. They seem to be very misinformed on this, which doesn't bode well for me, but OK...maybe the rest is ok.

    It's not clear what you're claiming they are misinformed about. I thought, overall, it was a remarkably well informed piece and the type of thing which I wish had been circulated and discussed before the referendum. I think the underlying philosophical position is worth considering, but the solution (Brexit) problematic.

  • Ah, bilateral is in being able to negotiate with every EU country.

    Hm, I am still not sure that will fix it. The small minded nationalists are causing problems atm in many EU countries. The Dutch libdems were able to propose a new law only because Rutte (the VVD, dutch tories) could not form a government without them. The EU has tried federalism of the "we can all vote where we live" before, the same mindset stopped it.

    My snag is that they push the work on individual Eu countries where the EU has already proposed a perfectly fine solution, which helps you and helps me, but the UK isn't having it. But there's no suggestion they are even aware of this one, so they come up with free citizenship, but if they had read a few blogs from the3million or brits in the UK, they would have know right away that alternatives exist, which they didn't discuss.

    And the "oh there's no guarantee of violence in NI with a border" ehm, right. Cough.

    Anyways I hope whatever happened you get treated decently :)

  • My snag is that they push the work on individual Eu countries where the EU has already proposed a perfectly fine solution, which helps you and helps me, but the UK isn't having it. But there's no suggestion they are even aware of this one, so they come up with free citizenship, but if they had read a few blogs from the3million or brits in the UK, they would have know right away that alternatives exist, which they didn't discuss.

    Okay, I think I get you now. I guess their response would be, as supporters of a "hard" Brexit, EU institutions cannot have a role in domestic politics in post-Brexit Britain. So EU proposals on this point are not worth considering (as they stand). I'm not sure, but I suspect the EU also knows this will be the case with a hard Brexit, and demands for the ECJ governing the rights of EU citizens in the UK in the future will fade with time if the UK ends up moving in the "hard" rather than "soft" direction. If that is the case, I hope EU citizens are treated fairly.

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