My bag under the down tube was good. I'd recommend it. Held a reasonable amount in a non knee-rub area. Depends on frame clearance, obvs (and with no mudguard it would get fuck wet and dirty when it rains, but stuff in plastic bags shd be ok)
I considered that spot for an extra bottle, but then figured it was Europe - water can't be that far away!
Might be good for tools if the bag I used was strong enough to hold onto them. You used one of those Deuter triangles right?
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