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Old 31st August 2012   #1
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LEL 2013 / London - Edinburgh - London Audax

http://www.londonedinburghlondon.com/

A thread separate from the general audax rides thread to discuss LEL.

28th July - 2nd Aug 2013

I don't think it's too early to start thinking about this. Is anyone planning on riding?

I have been harbouring a desire to do something like this for a while, and am drawn moth like to the audax flame. I think I'll see how my autumn / winter miles go and then make a call as it will need some pretty well thought out training from Jan - July to prepare properly.
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Old 31st August 2012   #2
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I'd be in if i'm well practiced in 300km rides :) although do I recall it being very expensive?
I'd do it if the entry was a couple hundred pounds but anything more :/
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Old 31st August 2012   #3
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870 miles in 5 days? oof.
doing it in 8 days would be tough enough for me.
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Old 31st August 2012   #4
AirTime
Sounds tempting but don't think I have the mental capacity for this one
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Old 31st August 2012   #5
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know what you mean, i did london-glasgow-london in june and the english roads do get pretty monotonotonotnotntotnotontotnous. I used to pray for hills just to break the silence in my head.
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Old 31st August 2012   #6
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There a London-Edinburgh-London Facebook page and a sub-board for this on yacf.co.uk
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Old 2nd September 2012   #7
AirTime
I've done two fairly swift lejog's and most days I'd wake up and think 'not another a road' and just cursed everyone and anything. Kudos to those that can do this one, think it's beyond me
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Old 2nd September 2012   #8
iPete
Tempted. I've done fully loaded touring and 800 miles in 8 days but that was arduous carrying the tent etc.

This seems quite cool with the pit stops every 80km, hopefully travel nice and light! but it's more mental than physical.

Any clues on cost?
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Old 2nd September 2012   #9
Joe.Sdonor
A quick skim read of the yacf thread suggests approx 200. As someone there pointed out, not extortionate for five days of 'entertainment' inc food and beds.
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Old 2nd September 2012   #10
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^Jesus I thought it was going to be significantly more than that!

Well I had better start doing some 300s now!
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Old 2nd September 2012   #11
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...I don't think it's too early to start thinking about this. Is anyone planning on riding?...
Started training last Jan...
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Old 2nd September 2012   #12
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I'm going to sign up to this when it opens.
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Old 2nd September 2012   #13
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Remember that you don't just 'sign up' for LEL (or any super brevet ride). You have to do at least an SR series in the calendar year leading up to the ride, i.e. you have to do at least a 200, 300, 400, and 600 (BRM = brevet randonneur mondial) to show that you're up to it.

You also have to be fairly experienced in what you need and reasonably organised in how to pace yourself and how to plan your stops.
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Old 2nd September 2012   #14
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^?

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Entries open January 2013. Anyone can enter, and you do not need to qualify.
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Old 2nd September 2012   #15
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Unlike PBP, there are no qualifying criteria for the LEL.

Last edited by Scilly Suffolk; 2nd September 2012 at 22:57. Reason: too slow
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Old 2nd September 2012   #16
punkturedonor
im gonna do this for sure
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Old 2nd September 2012   #17
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You also have to be fairly experienced in what you need and reasonably organised in how to pace yourself and how to plan your stops.
The stops are reasonably spaced and as others have said - no qualify needed for this ride.

I recently did a ride in Norway which was 540km which was quite hard and I did start off too quick but with breaks 25hrs, should be OK. It's all about getting the miles in the legs I think - and a good playlist.
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Old 3rd September 2012   #18
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There is no need to qualify.
Some people successfully completing LEL have done no previous Audax rides. Most riders are best with the experience that informs them how body and bike perform after long periods awheel.
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Old 3rd September 2012   #19
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Ah, sorry, showing my ignorance here. I thought this sort of mechanism applied to all super brevets.
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Old 3rd September 2012   #20
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Ah, sorry, showing my ignorance here. I thought this sort of mechanism applied to all super brevets.
Mind you, an experienced audax rider told me I should be aiming for two SR in 2013 in the lead up to LEL.
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Old 3rd September 2012   #21
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I would certainly recommend riding at least one ride of 600km or more in the run-up but it's not compulsory.
It's useful to learn how to cope with night riding, sleep deprivation, hunger, thirst and punctures in the dark (in the pi$$ing rain) in the middle of nowhere.
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Old 3rd September 2012   #22
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^this

There are normally a few extra 600s in May/June for this very purpose.

As many have mentioned though, I do not have the mental resilience for this, I get bored on a 300.
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Old 3rd September 2012   #23
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I'm planning on riding the LEL - I reckon I'll do another SR as well leading up to it, but actually, the skill needed (from what I can see) is the ability to ride a reasonably quick 300 then recover enough to ride the next day for 5 days...

If you take your time and end up riding into the night then of course, night riding skills would be essential - my plan is to avoid that by keeping things quick during the day...

The psychological aspect is definately the hardest part of any Audax over 200km - riding in a group helps, but setting off with a group of friends is even better!
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Old 25th October 2012   #24
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I did this last time and it's not easy.

I think the entry fee is quite reasonable as they do provide a lot of food and support where necessary.

One word of advice though is that if you're expecting an actual bed to sleep in every night or at every rest stop then you'll be disappointed! I slept at various places and 'beds' consisted of the benches in a rugby club changing room, a pool table, a floor (with the spaces marked out in tape and on a stage.

Some stops have camp beds available but there's a rota system of 1/2 hour per person!

I'm considering doing it again this year again though.
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Old 25th October 2012   #25
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I'm considering doing it again this year again though.
Again?
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Old 25th October 2012   #26
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Again?
Yes, again. By this year, I do mean next year (2013!)
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Old 26th October 2012   #27
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Im up for it! Last year we did jogle in 6 days so would be good to beat that! Would be good to get some long weekend rides in before hand though as it sounds quite tough going.

so is it basically non stop, the average day is going to be 174 miles!
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Old 26th October 2012   #28
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This looks bloody awful. And yet strangely alluring. I imagine it would be far worse than you expect?
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Old 26th October 2012   #29
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This sound excitingly hard, must get in.
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Old 27th October 2012   #30
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This looks bloody awful. And yet strangely alluring. I imagine it would be far worse than you expect?
I think my main advantage was not training nearly enough.

That way I had no idea how bad it could be and once I did, I was well into it.

Of course, it was enjoyable but I think that was more from a sense of achievement perspective rather than riding for three days through a a storm....
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Old 27th October 2012   #31
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just out of interest jonnyhotdog when you say not neraly enough training, what do you mean?
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Old 27th October 2012   #32
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This is fucking mental.

I was considering another marathon for 2013 but this sounds a bajillion times harder and more interesting.
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Old 27th October 2012   #33
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If you want to do it, you'll need to be on the ball on 5th Jan (when entry opens): places will go quickly. Judging by their Facebook page there is plenty of overseas interest.
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Old 27th October 2012   #34
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Are you allocated people to ride with or do you need your own group?
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Old 27th October 2012   #35
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It's an audax. You ride alone or with similarly paced people.
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Old 27th October 2012   #36
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You can start with a group of people if you like - I think they'll give groups of friends the same start time.

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just out of interest jonnyhotdog when you say not neraly enough training, what do you mean?
I work on ships so I only got off one the day before LEL so my opportunities for getting out and doing long rides were very limited for the three months previous.

I think the longest ride I did in preparation was about 90 miles.
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Old 27th October 2012   #37
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90mi --> 1400k.

Ouch.
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Old 27th October 2012   #38
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I probably only cried for about 1250k of it....

It was a little bit of a shock to the system to be honest but once you get going it's not too bad - the stiffness after resting was the biggest problem but about 20-30 minutes of cycling soon sorted that out.

I just went at a fairly steady pace and it was all good. - completed it in just under 100 hrs.
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Old 27th October 2012   #39
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I feel like I need a relative idea of how fit you are. You seem to be playing this down a fair bit!
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Old 27th October 2012   #40
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I would say my fitness is fairly average.

It was very difficult and I was (and still am) overweight for a cyclist but the main thing is that it's possible - mental strength is definitely tested as much as physical strength and endurance. The main thing is just to keep plodding on.
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Old 27th October 2012   #41
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We'd need to average 175 miles a day, l'll put my name down tonight, least I can use my new randonneur bike for that ride.
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Old 27th October 2012   #42
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I work on ships so I only got off one the day before LEL so my opportunities for getting out and doing long rides were very limited for the three months previous.
Could you not have a turbo trainer in the ship?
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Old 27th October 2012   #43
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Could you not have a turbo trainer in the ship?
Yes and that's generally what I do but I don't have the free time available to spend any more than 45 minutes to an hour exercising.
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Old 18th November 2012   #44
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This has really been on my mind for a few days now. I'm doing my first marathon in mid-March so I'll be in good shape, but won't have much chance to get miles in on the bike until then. Do you think that I could come back from the marathon, have a week's rest and still manage to get ready in time? That'd leave me four months...

I'm apprehensive about it. I've signed up for 120 mile sportives without a second's thought, but this feels genuinely scary. It'd be an amazing achievement to look back on though.
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Old 18th November 2012   #45
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Sparky, I'm definitely doing it, would be great to have other fellow minded idiot to attempt this on.
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Old 18th November 2012   #46
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Sparky, I'm definitely doing it, would be great to have other fellow minded idiot to attempt this on.
I just called the missus to chat about it, and she said she'd be willing to give me a summer weekend pass for training - as long as I went on a lazy break somewhere with her straight after the ride. I'm leaning towards doing it.

Would I be alright doing it on the road bike, Ed? I'm sort of subconsciously churning over the logistics now: how would I power a Garmin for five days? How do I power a mobile phone for five days (Twitter and pictures, plus in case of emergency)? What clothing would I need?
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Old 18th November 2012   #47
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It's doable but I don't think marathon training is good preparation for this at all. Not to mention the likelihood of your body being trashed post-Mara (assuming you're not a regular marathoner).

You're going to want to do a couple of shorter audax to get familiar with route sheet reading - don't count on the Garmin for 5 days..
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Old 18th November 2012   #48
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I'd have from March 17 to late July to get bike-fit after the marathon. Not that long, but it's certainly not like I'd be hopping straight on the bike after crossing the finish line.

Garmin is more for posterity/Strava, really. No way I'm doing 900 miles and not being able to bore people with the link forever more...
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Old 18th November 2012   #49
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Would I be alright doing it on the road bike, Ed? I'm sort of subconsciously churning over the logistics now: how would I power a Garmin for five days? How do I power a mobile phone for five days (Twitter and pictures, plus in case of emergency)? What clothing would I need?
Get a Garmin with AA battery.

Get a front wheel with dynamo to power the phone (for some reason I can't use the garmin while charging from the dynamo).

If you been touring, it's the same shit except ride all day.

#neverbeenonanaudaxthatsmorethan300km
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Old 18th November 2012   #50
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I'd have from March 17 to late July to get bike-fit after the marathon. Not that long, but it's certainly not like I'd be hopping straight on the bike after crossing the finish line.

Garmin is more for posterity/Strava, really. No way I'm doing 900 miles and not being able to bore people with the link forever more...
Ah, I read that as weeks rest, as in only a week between events.
If you prepare well for the marathon and don't injure yourself you should be in good stead to transfer to the bike. I ran a half with little training and was in physio for months afterwards so be careful of doing dumb shit in the run.
You could use a normal Garmin etrex that takes AA batteries and swap them or you could use an external Garmin battery pack and Edge 800 like I did for the 24hr. Charging this might be an issue but there are alternatives and it depends if you want to carry a charger/how often you will have decent stoppage time to charge.
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