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Old 21st August 2012   #101
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greenedge win!?!
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Old 21st August 2012   #102
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sick racing today. good work
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Old 21st August 2012   #103
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i wish a few more celebrities had to hurt as much as these guys on their pushbikes
might make them think twice about foisting their shit singing voices / persona's upon us
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Old 21st August 2012   #104
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Valverde got payback from his & Movistar's actions in Paris-Nice, wanted a word with the Sky team ;-)

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Old 21st August 2012   #105
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Just watching ITV+1 now - Movistar sending their team car to the front of the peleton to beg for mercy is hilarious. Would've been better if they were waving bundles of cash out the window.
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Old 21st August 2012   #106
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We do it because we're all a little odd. They get paid.
Totally this. I'd love to have their job (or their ability to do their job). I want to see them at the limits of human endurance/determination and what the best riders can do given their training and support. I don't see them queuing up to support me when I'm having a tough day at work and this is their payday so if the winner of each stage hasn't had to wring it all out then I think the watching fans have been cheated.
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Old 22nd August 2012   #107
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"They didn’t have the balls to stop, they chose an unsporting way, Sky formed an echelon and they’re perfectly within their rights to do that. I’m not cross that I lost the lead because of this, but because there was no respect.”

Says unrepentant drugs cheat Valverde.
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Old 22nd August 2012   #108
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It takes a certain type to believe they are always right and continually being wronged.
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Old 22nd August 2012   #109
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A cunt
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Old 22nd August 2012   #110
T-V
Couldn't happen to a nicer bloke.
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Old 22nd August 2012   #111
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Froomedog got a mention on Radio 1 in their 'News and Sports Summary'. Apparently he's continued his fantastic form from the Tour and the Olympic TT and has moved into second overall at the Tour of Spain. Incisive stuff.

Little sympathy for Valverde: you can't stop for every crash, particularly when you've just started to put the hammer down and there's a breakaway 3 minutes down the road. I don't know the time differences for the breakaway but I'm guessing if Martin or Clarke had got 3 or more minutes they might have been in red? I think Movistar's objections come from thinking Sky caused the crash then took advantage of it, a murky accusation at best. I wonder who the peloton will react, Movistar will certainly give them no quarter and they might get a hard time from the crowd too.
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Old 22nd August 2012   #112
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Oh and an Aussie actually won: where's Hippy doing a lap of honour?
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Old 22nd August 2012   #113
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time to scrub the unwritten rules and move on to each man for himself
racing is racing
on the commentary after the highlights last night they said there were no leaders in the peleton ones who would lay down the law and say we should wait / ride on
gone are the armstrongs the delgado's
now it's froome and contador not quite the heavy weights of tours / vuelta's gone by
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Old 22nd August 2012   #114
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It's not a disregard or deviation from convention. It's not every man for himself and there are still leaders.

Sky attacked as they turned across the wind and before the crash.
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Old 22nd August 2012   #115
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the crash happened about 10m behind froome
as they were just getting wound up for the attack
he says he wasn't aware of the crash
one of the people in the team car came out and said he made sure froome was aware of the crash within 2km of it happening ( said person on car was a friend of the maillot rouge )
did froome order his team to continue racing

#cheatingbrits# ?
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Old 22nd August 2012   #116
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I didn't really believe him when he said he wasn't aware of the crash until much later.
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Old 22nd August 2012   #117
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^^
I think you're missing the point.

There is no issue (unless you're Valverde and sour) if a crash occurs whilst a move is in play. The attack had to happen at that section of road, and you can clearly see Sky on the front and pushing in replays of the crash.

Had they attacked after the crash then they would have questions to answer, and quite possibly riders would have objected (on the road and afterwards).
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Old 22nd August 2012   #118
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So are there any online resources with good coverage of the vuelta? I liked saddles eurosport blog for the tour fee France but they're seems to be not too much coverage of vuelta
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Old 22nd August 2012   #119
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The Spanish are going to gang up on froome once he's isolated in the mountains anyway. Just getting first dig in. Racing is racing.
Saxo-tinkof and Katusha were both pulling turns, so no love lost.
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Old 22nd August 2012   #120
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^^
I think you're missing the point.

There is no issue (unless you're Valverde and sour) if a crash occurs whilst a move is in play. The attack had to happen at that section of road, and you can clearly see Sky on the front and pushing in replays of the crash.

Had they attacked after the crash then they would have questions to answer, and quite possibly riders would have objected (on the road and afterwards).
It was a pretty fine, line the attacks had literally just started as one of the Sky rider moved it took out a front wheel bringing Valverde and team mates down ... valverde's team manager said it was intentional by sky thats an accusation of the highest order !


You could see how the peleton got ripped apart by that side wind the view from the helicopter showed 3-4 eschelons down the road, it was an obvious place for the attack
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Old 22nd August 2012   #121
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Perhaps the general consensus within Sky is that he's a cheating doping cunt and like fuck we are going to slow down.
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Old 22nd August 2012   #122
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^^

The attack was not a gradual acceleration or a series of bursts - they did it right and hammered it, that's crucial to cause splits. Once that's on things behind don't matter.
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Old 22nd August 2012   #123
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I pretty sure that if Contador and Froome had crashed it would have played out the same.
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Old 22nd August 2012   #124
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I like that Sky hammered it rather than waiting. I find it annoying when riders bitch and moan when the custom of waiting for leaders / contenders isn't observed. Be thankful if people do slow for you, but don't expect that as your right.

By the same token, Sky have made themselves fair game for the remainder of the Vuelta. No quarter asked for and none given should make the rest of the racing pretty spicy.

Vuelta is shaping up to be far more exciting than the objectively dull procession at the Tour.
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Old 22nd August 2012   #125
Lello
Everyone are villans except for sqeaky clean sky who can do no wrong... ever...
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Old 22nd August 2012   #126
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Saxo-tinkof and Katusha were both pulling turns, so no love lost.
And BMC too, who were they working for?
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Old 22nd August 2012   #127
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Steve Morabito apparently *


* not the official line on Monday, but Gilbert gave the game away yesterday in an interview.
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Old 22nd August 2012   #128
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Apparently Movistar's Jose Ivan Gutierrez drove the pace on after Sky's Siustou crash in the TdeF. Mebbe Sky didn't forget this ?
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Old 22nd August 2012   #129
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Whilst I agree that racing is racing and understand its hard for the "unwritten rules" to be enforced, I would be concerned by some of the suggestions that they should completely disregard these "unwritten rules". Given the desire to win amongst any professional bike racer/team then I can see a conscious scrapping of the unwritten codes of conduct resulting in deliberate attempts to cause crashes to competitor riders if they think they can disguise it as accidental knowing it could result in advantage for a team leader etc. Am I over thinking this? I'm not saying any pro would want to deliberately cause harm to another cyclist but in the heat of battle?...
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Old 22nd August 2012   #130
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I almost always like the way Gerard Vroomen (Cervélo co-founder) puts it in his blog: http://gerard.cc/2012/08/22/grow-some-balls/
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Old 22nd August 2012   #131
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Am I over thinking this?
Yes
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Old 22nd August 2012   #132
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I almost always like the way Gerard Vroomen (Cervélo co-founder) puts it in his blog: http://gerard.cc/2012/08/22/grow-some-balls/
Good read
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Old 22nd August 2012   #133
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Nicely written, blunt. Will keep reading that blog.
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Old 22nd August 2012   #134
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Good read
Yep, that sums things up nicely.
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Old 22nd August 2012   #135
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The "TV was off in the car" Sky DS excuse holds about as much water as Arsene Wenger's ability to be looking the other way any time anything controversial happens, but all the DS will say it.

It was either the Tour or Dauphinee when another DS said same thing in similar circumstances but unfortunately he was carrying someone on the back seat who was tweeting pics that very clearly showed the TVs were on and working perfectly.
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Old 22nd August 2012   #136
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Valverde: 'That sumabitch just slammed into me'

Vroomen: No, he didn't slam into you, he didn't bump you, he didn't nudge you. He rubbed you. And rubbin', son, is racin'
About 8 Spanish pros have come out and said Sky did the right thing. Rodrguez and Contador shed no tears and the latter indeed attacked on the climb. Valverde and Movistar can throw their toys out the pram but to blame Sky is just wrong.


Blame Karma bitches
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Old 22nd August 2012   #137
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I almost always like the way Gerard Vroomen (Cervélo co-founder) puts it in his blog: http://gerard.cc/2012/08/22/grow-some-balls/
Yep. That's a great post.

Wiggins probably would have called said: "We was smashing it before the cnut fell off."

And he'd have been right.
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Old 22nd August 2012   #138
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The "TV was off in the car" Sky DS excuse holds about as much water as Arsene Wenger's ability to be looking the other way any time anything controversial happens, but all the DS will say it.

It was either the Tour or Dauphinee when another DS said same thing in similar circumstances but unfortunately he was carrying someone on the back seat who was tweeting pics that very clearly showed the TVs were on and working perfectly.
Oh, it was Sean Yates after stage 17 TDF, what a coincidence

http://www.bicycling.com/sky-directo...-17#/video/all
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Old 22nd August 2012   #139
Branwendonor
Amusing seeing ex doper Valverde saying "Each rider has to decide for themselves what is fair"
(not an exact quote, but words to that effect)
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Old 22nd August 2012   #140
Rossco13
I keep hearing the ITV4 commentator and mistaking him for Frankie Boyle. I think Frankies witticisms are what this Vuelta is missing sadly. "Val-Verde? Val-fucking-fanny more like"
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Old 23rd August 2012   #141
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impressive Rodriguez leaving everyone standing after pulling away with Froome. Best climbers of the day, but there will be more & longer climbs...
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Old 23rd August 2012   #142
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An exciting final 3km, it still feels quite an open race.
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Old 23rd August 2012   #143
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how are you guys watching it?
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Old 23rd August 2012   #144
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Eurosport.

There are highlights on one of the ITV channels (I think).
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Old 23rd August 2012   #145
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any internet links. dont have eursport at work.
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Old 23rd August 2012   #146
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eurosport
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Old 23rd August 2012   #147
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steephill.tv is good for links

http://www.steephill.tv/vuelta-a-espana/#live
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Old 23rd August 2012   #148
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yes steephill. Or sports-livez or sportlemon

Can't remember the extensions, you'll find it with google
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Old 23rd August 2012   #149
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Hearts vs Liverpool ?? FML
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Old 23rd August 2012   #150
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Froome looking behind the whole way in and giving that one away by moving aside to let Purito take the corner on the inside. Checking his SRM on the line too.

He's taking the piss.
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