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Old 11th July 2013   #2251
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Cannot find enough details to verify this hunch,
but being born, and presumably raised, in Nairobi, elevation 1660 metres,
Froome could have a better red blood cell count than his notional twin raised pretty much at sea level.
Add to this physical advantage the training regime of Sky
and the continual 1% improvements in diet, recovery, preparation, equipment,
and knowing where his red line is at all times on a climb.........

(Warning could all be bollocks if he was born in Nairobi then raised in Mombasa, at sea level).
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Old 11th July 2013   #2252
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I love they've digitised his crack
It's not digitised.

His arse was so wrecked they had to build him a new one from Lego.
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Old 11th July 2013   #2253
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Assume he's probably choc full of taurine and sugar at that stage too Hippy?
Not sarcy... genuine question. I imagine that the prep immediately before a short TT is a shit ton of quick release energy gubbins no? That would have me quivering like nobodies business.
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Old 11th July 2013   #2254
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2nd place on Ventoux springs to mind
That was from from the break away so hardly proof of anything. Also, wasn't he trying his hand at being a GC contender at that time? Looking back at the TT results from 2009 he wasn't in the first rank of riders, giving credence to my point about trade-offs.

Funnily enough, Bert won the 40km TT in 2009. Doubt many on here need to pause for long before coming to conclusion about how.
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Old 11th July 2013   #2255
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You mean the convicted doper, Contador?
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Old 11th July 2013   #2256
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Cannot find enough details to verify this hunch,
but being born, and presumably raised, in Nairobi, elevation 1660 metres,
Froome could have a better red blood cell count than his notional twin raised pretty much at sea level.
Add to this physical advantage the training regime of Sky
and the continual 1% improvements in diet, recovery, preparation, equipment,
and knowing where his red line is at all times on a climb.........

(Warning could all be bollocks if he was born in Nairobi then raised in Mombasa, at sea level).
I know nothing about the science, but I think he grew up in South Africa. At least, I think that's what I heard Alex Dowsett say on the radio before the tour.
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Old 11th July 2013   #2257
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Cannot find enough details to verify this hunch,
but being born, and presumably raised, in Nairobi, elevation 1660 metres,
Froome could have a better red blood cell count than his notional twin raised pretty much at sea level.
Add to this physical advantage the training regime of Sky
and the continual 1% improvements in diet, recovery, preparation, equipment,
and knowing where his red line is at all times on a climb.........

(Warning could all be bollocks if he was born in Nairobi then raised in Mombasa, at sea level).
My understanding is that the benefits of altitude acclimatisation dissipate after two weeks. There is no benefit to being born and raised at altitude that would perpetuate throughout life. See this: http://inrng.com/2013/04/colombia-cycling-altitude/
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Old 11th July 2013   #2258
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I know nothing about the science, but I think he grew up in South Africa. At least, I think that's what I heard Alex Dowsett say on the radio before the tour.
He moved to Jo'burg in his teens to attend school there.

Which is 1700 metres above sea level.
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Old 11th July 2013   #2259
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Phil or Paul (yeah, I dabbled in ITV land) said something about him having a bad TT position. I chuckled and then threw a bottle of piss at the TV.
I think he looks a whole lot better/more efficient on his TT bike than on his normal bike
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Old 11th July 2013   #2260
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You mean the convicted doper, Contador?
Indeed. Not such a strong tt-er these days is he?
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Old 11th July 2013   #2261
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Frankly this thread has sucked hairy balls for about two days. Doping gossip can do one. It was a blessed relief yesterday when disgruntled Frenchies started lobbing bodily fluids about.
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Old 11th July 2013   #2262
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He moved to Jo'burg in his teens to attend school there.

Which is 1700 metres above sea level.
Fucking arm chair geographer.

(not getting old).
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Old 11th July 2013   #2263
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Why don't you go and do some reading about physiological improvements?

You know, background reading. From experts.

That might help your comprehension.
To be fair, Science of sport haven't ruled out doping with their estimated calcs. It could go either way and it's all just educated guess work if Sky don't release power data.
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Old 11th July 2013   #2264
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To be fair, Science of sport haven't ruled out doping with their estimated calcs. It could go either way and it's all just educated guess work if Sky don't release power data.
This.

But Little Englanders will always give Froome the benefit of the doubt, despite the fact he is Kenyan.

Anyway, that is my last comment on the matter in this thread as I am boring myself now.
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Old 11th July 2013   #2265
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We will never know for sure if Froome is clean, it's impossible to prove definitively.
Unless he tests positive or his team dobs him in or he confesses or..
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Old 11th July 2013   #2266
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If you look at where Froome has come from, then if anyone can make larger gains it's him. He showed in his first Tour that he had a decent engine.
Apparently never visited a wind tunnel until this year, if you can believe it..
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Old 11th July 2013   #2267
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What's marginal about their training load? It's abusive and has made some of their riders very ill.
The 'we train harder' thing doesn't wash with me. It's insulting to the other riders.
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Old 11th July 2013   #2268
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They do look like they have less fun.
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Old 11th July 2013   #2269
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Unless he tests positive or his team dobs him in or he confesses or..
So that would be proving that he isn't clean, no?
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Old 11th July 2013   #2270
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Come on, Tim!
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Old 11th July 2013   #2271
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2012 TDF, ITT. Froome comes second to Wiggins (Martin pulled out). 2012 Men's Olympic TT. Froome comes third to Wiggins and Martin. 2013 TDF, Froome comes second to Martin (no Wiggins racing).
Not sure what's surprising about his performance?
When did he sign with Sky? He was 2nd to Dowsett in the British TT champs in 2010 and what did he do in 2009?

I think he's been genetically engineered in a secret laboratory in Kenya. The same place the produces all their runners. They just tried a different mold.
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Old 11th July 2013   #2272
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Anyway, sprint stage today. I want Cavendish to win, mainly to see what celebration he comes up with following the events over the past two days.

I wonder how much the fine would be if he crossed the line with his cock in his hand, pissing on the Argos riders?
I want Gossy to win because the poor bloke must be getting tired of being an also-ran. If that fails though, Cav to win because he's more fun in interviews than Gripe All and Kit Hell.
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Old 11th July 2013   #2273
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When did he sign with Sky? He was 2nd to Dowsett in the British TT champs in 2010 and what did he do in 2009?

I think he's been genetically engineered in a secret laboratory in Kenya. The same place the produces all their runners. They just tried a different mold.
Huh? Are you quoting my out of context or have you misunderstood my post? I went back to last year because that's what I remember off the top of my head. My point is, he's finishing in TTs exactly where you'd expect him to.
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Old 11th July 2013   #2274
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The EPO does seem easier....
Do Boots sell that?
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Old 11th July 2013   #2275
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No, but Super Drug do
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Old 11th July 2013   #2276
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Assume he's probably choc full of taurine and sugar at that stage too Hippy?
Caffeine certainly.
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Old 11th July 2013   #2277
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It's not digitised.
His arse was so wrecked they had to build him a new one from Lego.
There's one display that won't appear at Legoland.
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Old 11th July 2013   #2278
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I think he looks a whole lot better/more efficient on his TT bike than on his normal bike
That's because they nail his stick-insect elbows to the armrests.
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Old 11th July 2013   #2279
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Frankly this thread has sucked hairy balls for about two days. Doping gossip can do one. It was a blessed relief yesterday when disgruntled Frenchies started lobbing bodily fluids about.
Dope Dope
Dope Dope
Everyone Likes Dope
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Old 11th July 2013   #2280
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They do look like they have less fun.
#OGERocks
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Old 11th July 2013   #2281
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So that would be proving that he isn't clean, no?
That's my point.
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Old 11th July 2013   #2282
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I'm glad to see that Dan 'The Flying Elbow' Martin has given himself enough leash to have another crack at a stage win.
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Old 11th July 2013   #2283
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Huh? Are you quoting my out of context or have you misunderstood my post? I went back to last year because that's what I remember off the top of my head. My point is, he's finishing in TTs exactly where you'd expect him to.
I know exactly what you are saying. I'm not questioning his performance in the last three years - it makes perfect sense. But I am and have always questioned his jump from what seems like nowhere to grand tour contender.
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Old 11th July 2013   #2284
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Simply can't comprehend how Froome can be so dominant... Obviously I haven't got the evidence to suggest that he's on the juice or blood goodies, but on the other hand, discarding the tempo specialists from yesterday's result, the "marginal gain" argument simply doesn't hold.

In any event a 2-3 min gain on the likes of Valverde, Contador, Mollema, Kreuziger, Ten Dam, Rogers, Evans, Roche, Fuglsang and Van Garderen just to mention a few, is hardly marginal. Noticeably the said riders with Mollema finishing 11 and Van Garderen 49 all rode within 1:14min of each other.

Just saying...
A few years ago, Contador surprised us all with a spectacular time trial. That he is less spectacular now and can be beaten by someone who is a noted timetrialist should not surprise us. Perhaps he is eating less beef.

Also Froome thrashed Contador earlier in the season.

Beating Evans is not so surprising. He is not at his best. Van Garderen has been a disappointment.
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Old 11th July 2013   #2285
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Teejay ain't the golden boy everyone thought. Karma for riding off on his team leader..
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Old 11th July 2013   #2286
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Dutch race drop Cavendish from start list after Cavendish incident with Dutch rider shock.

http://www1.skysports.com/cycling/ne...say-organisers

Petty.
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Old 11th July 2013   #2287
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Douche move.

More likely they can't afford his appearance money and found a convenient excuse. I'm sure he'll be heartbroken.
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Old 11th July 2013   #2288
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That, or they are looking for some press. Any press.
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Old 11th July 2013   #2289
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Way to support a rider who has been illegally assaulted by div spectators. Very petty.
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Old 11th July 2013   #2290
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To be fair, Cav wasn't the ideal of good sportsmanship in the post-race interview ("but that's why we love him!"). If I'm not mistaken, he spent the majority of it defending himself and attacking others, before finally at the end asking who it was that was knocked down and wishing him good luck.
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Old 11th July 2013   #2291
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... because he was livid about being blocked out of the comp by a lead out guy who had looked back and then positioned himself accordingly. Right or wrong he was biting his tongue I'd imagine.
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Old 11th July 2013   #2292
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Frankly this thread has sucked hairy balls for about two days. Doping gossip can do one. It was a blessed relief yesterday when disgruntled Frenchies started lobbing bodily fluids about.
Unfortunately, it's the same on every single cycling website in the English speaking world. Non-believers arguing with believers. If more people used the internet regularly in 1999 it would have been the exact same. Superhuman performance in the wake of a massive drugs scandal. It's all part of the cycle.
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Old 11th July 2013   #2293
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Imagine how popular the Tour would be if it didn't involve superhuman performances?

It'd have about the same attraction as bike polo.
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Old 11th July 2013   #2294
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... because he was livid about being blocked out of the comp by a lead out guy who had looked back and then positioned himself accordingly. Right or wrong he was biting his tongue I'd imagine.
Yeah but he clearly could have avoided him but decided not too.
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Old 11th July 2013   #2295
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Yeah but he clearly could have avoided him but decided not too.
Because he was going for the fucking win you moron.

Armchair experts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Old 11th July 2013   #2296
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Imagine how popular the Tour would be if it didn't involve superhuman performances?

It'd have about the same attraction as bike polo.
I'm not implying 'doped' performances when I say superhuman ones. I just mean awesome ones.
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Old 11th July 2013   #2297
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Because he was going for the fucking win you moron<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Armchair experts
Fixed
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Old 11th July 2013   #2298
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Imagine how popular the Tour would be if it didn't involve superhuman performances?

It'd have about the same attraction as bike polo.
Why you!!!

(Do you even bike polo? Come down to the London Open in August. I'll buy you a couple of ciders. Which are both legal and performance enhancing in bike polo).
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Old 11th July 2013   #2299
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Why you!!!

(Do you even bike polo? Come down to the London Open in August. It's basically massive tramp beers. You can have some of my Super Tennents.
ftfy
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Old 11th July 2013   #2300
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That does not make it sound any less awesome.
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