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Old 19th April 2012   #1
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Do I need a tourer or can I get away with a road bike & backpack for a week away?

Hi, my sister is cycling from Lisbon to Greece this summer and I plan on joining her for the Croatia leg - roughly 600km over 6 days. Trouble is, I don;t necessarily want a touring bike with panniers etc as I want to use the bike for racing and longer rides at home.

With that in mind, I was looking at something like this Pinarello Wiggle | Pinarello FP1 Tiagra 2011 Road Bikes

Could I use something like this with a backpack for the week or am I being unrealistic? What other options are out there for a good road/race bike with some storage options? Options and thoughts more than welcome.

cheers
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Old 19th April 2012   #2
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Never really liked back packs as they make you sweaty etc.
Road bikes, sort of by definition, don't have rack mounts.
Touring bikes are, almost by definition, quite sturdy/heavy, so great for gentle touring rides, but not so good for roadie-ing.
I've just discovered this bike which weighs in at 9.4kgs, has rack and mudguards mounts, but despite it's slightly racy geometry has flat bars.
Stem up for touring, stem down for road riding? It's about the most versatlile bike I've ever seen. I'm thinking of getting one as a cummuter/tourer/winter trainer, although I'd want a test ride first. It had a great review in the commuting supplememt that came with Cycling Plus, and they said it would be ideal for audax events or even sportives.
It'd be a way of keeping the peace at home for me possiby - bike number reduction!
If roadie-ing comes first then you might be put off by the flat bars? I prefer flat bars for my London commute so this looks tailor made for me.
Wilier Triestina Weekend Bassano

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Old 19th April 2012   #3
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I think it depends on what you are planning to take with you. Travel light with a small bag (like the Alpkits: http://www.alpkit.com/shop/cart.php?...ategory_id=295 ) and buy things along the way and you should be fine. I travelled in New Zealand doing about 60K a day with a bag on my bag. Are you camping?
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Old 19th April 2012   #4
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Should have mentioned that I'll be staying in B&Bs/hostels so no camping equipment needed. Shoes, underwear, toothbrush, a few tops and some other clothes and tools is the minimum I'd need so I guess this could all go in a backpack.
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Old 19th April 2012   #5
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A good audax bike will do everything you need and more. If the pinarello you linked to above is about your budget then a higer spec audax bike could easily be had second hand. Given how light you are planning on travelling, a carradice would fit the bill as well to carry your stuff.
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Old 19th April 2012   #6
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Have you considered titanium? It would be ideal, given your criteria. Team it with a lightweight titanium rack from Tubus, a smallish pannier, and a strong set of wheels and you're set for both light touring and commuting. For racing, remove the rack, fit some fast wheels, and you're equally well equipped.
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Old 19th April 2012   #7
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I'd buy the road bike, but fit a beam rack and pack to the seatpost. Job done.
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Old 19th April 2012   #8
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I only had one bike for years, it was a steel Audax bike which i set up with quite a racy position and used it for touring, training, and racing.

There is no reason why one bike won't do it all, if you choose the right frame. Get a bike with a racing geometry and rack mounts then all you need to do is strip it down to race or load it up to tour. A steel or alu frame with carbon forks can be plenty fast enough to race on and sturdy enough to tour on. I've always thought that when it comes to racing good wheels are the key so buy a pair of speedy hoops to use on race day.

check ebay and get yourself a nice steel frame then build it up with modern race parts, for the price of the Pinarello you'll get a classy bike that's unique and versatile.
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Old 19th April 2012   #9
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Old 19th April 2012   #10
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OR do what General Lucifer said but be carful if your clamping a rack to a carbon frame or seat post.
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Old 19th April 2012   #11
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Backpacks make me sweat and Croatia's summers are HOT.

Maybe something that sits more on your hips like a bumbag? I'm not sure if this will be big enough. I have a 10 one from Decathlon that would be about 10l. I use it pretty often to carry my entire football kit in while cycling.[
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Old 19th April 2012   #12
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Don't clamp anything to carbon tubes, they have no lateral load bearing capability. The seat post is fine as long as it is alu or carbon wrapped alu. If it is true carbon then this is also a no, no. Sorry to spoil the fun ;-)
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Old 19th April 2012   #13
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Buy this?

It's about your size

http://www.lfgss.com/thread82941.html

Has rack mounts and a super fun bike.
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Old 19th April 2012   #14
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A good audax bike will do everything you need and more. If the pinarello you linked to above is about your budget then a higer spec audax bike could easily be had second hand. Given how light you are planning on travelling, a carradice would fit the bill as well to carry your stuff.
This. Definitely.

I would (and did) look at Kinesis. They have a good rep, a few on here have used them for racing, very practical.

If you're touring in the summer, you can use 28c without mudgaurds (or maybe clip-on's), plus a rack.

A older 105 tripple groupset:

^^ cx is another option. But it sounds like you want a road bike, but also want to do touring this summer... in which case go for the thing you'll get most use from.

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Old 19th April 2012   #15
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A older 105 tripple groupset: Campagnolo, Shimano and Sram Groupsets - Merlin Cycles[/QUOTE]

Link ng
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Old 19th April 2012   #16
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This. Definitely.

I would (and did) look at Kinesis. They have a good rep, a few on here have used them for racing, very practical.

If you're touring in the summer, you can use 28c without mudgaurds (or maybe clip-on's), plus a rack.

A older 105 tripple groupset: Campagnolo, Shimano and Sram Groupsets - Merlin Cycles
This.

A couple front pannier bags on a small rack, together with a stuff bag strapped to the top, will give a nice amount of load capacity.

http://www.fatbirds.co.uk/5789/produ...duax-bike.aspx

I have been lusting after this Spa cycle Ti Audax for quite some time. If you're not camping this thing will do everything.

http://www.spacycles.co.uk/products....d=m1b0s21p2573
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Old 19th April 2012   #17
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BTW. I an recommend Overboard front pannier bags. Solid, waterproof, 12 Ltr,and cheap.

http://www.outdoorgb.com/p/OverBoard...dBundle=171854

Combine with a barbag for snacks and valubles.

http://www.welovetech.co.uk/ProductD...Code=364468461
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Old 19th April 2012   #18
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read this thread http://www.lfgss.com/thread17964.html there are loads of options for touring. but for such a short tour you shouldn't need a new bike. If you're thinking of racing then get an alu something..

don't use a backpack, just get your bike, and strap a compression bag to the seat (you can do this with any bike).

alternatively you can get a heavy audax bike + carrdice + reto jersey + some old campy groupsets and join the ctc.
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Old 19th April 2012   #19
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Maybe some more details, on what you ride now (if any) and what you would like to use the bike for after?
what type of racing ?

a) audax (ribble) ?
b) used tourer, then sell it after

Both spring to mind.

Deffo no backpacks, as anyone who cycles would say...
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Old 19th April 2012   #20
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I'd get the Audx,cuz I'm a certain age, and at a certain age. Racks ad mudguards become attractive. ;)

You can get a similar load on a road bike. With the use of some lever bags. But you wont have anywhere to strap bulky items.






http://www.revelatedesigns.com/index.cfm
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Old 19th April 2012   #21
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Thanks for the response, some interesting points to dwell on.

Currently riding fixed thus the need for a new bike for this trip. I will be getting it though cycle to work scheme so second hand is off the table. I guess I don't really like the look of Audax/touring bikes and prefer something fast. As the trip is only one week whereas I'll have the bike for the next few years I might investigate the seatpost bag idea a little further - although it might look a little ridiculous.
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Old 19th April 2012   #22
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http://bikepack.pl/

go for them, cheaper and easier way to tour, helped keep the bike feel lively without getting bogged down by panniers and rack.

I now swear by them, Scott do too;

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Bikepacking gear like that is my preferred method for carrying stuff as it doesn't add to the width of the bike, doesn't rattle about like panniers often do, and is way more stable than a lot of traditionalists would have you believe.
I've had mine fully loaded with huge saddlebag, frame bag, and handlebar harness and never once felt unstable on the bike.
There is also the added benefit of being able to use the kit on pretty much any bike whether you have rack mounts or not.
edit - here's someone else "touring" bike;


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Old 19th April 2012   #23
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Might be worth looking at the blogger who surfaced on this forum, touring east asia I think at the time. He shows his 'minimal' kit, and boy is it minimal. Maybe the 'where did I see this...?' thread could provide a link.
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Old 19th April 2012   #24
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Regarding the Pinarello FP1, you're not being unrealistic, this is Dan's 3 days 600km "touring" set-up;



He managed pretty well with a compact and 11-25t cassette, I'd recommended a slightly wider ratios to make the most of it (11-28t), combine a proper seatbag rather than a carradice and you'll have a great bike that doesn't feel bogged down and dull as a touring bike.

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Old 19th April 2012   #25
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http://bikepack.pl/

go for them, cheaper and easier way to tour, helped keep the bike feel lively without getting bogged down by panniers and rack.

I now swear by them.
Nice link Ed.

Osh. A modern Audax bike will feel as fast as a road bike if set up the same. It just has more clearance. But I see where yo're coming from. We all like our road bikes to look like pocket rockets ;)

Bags like those from Revalate designs, and the ones Ed linked to, will last a life time of abuse. They carry less weight than panners. But then with road bike gearing, I'd keep things lght anyway.
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Old 19th April 2012   #26
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Thanks for the links Ed, they look really handy. Like the look of Dan's set up - kind of what i had in mind with a seatpost bag + breathable rucksack (something like this Wiggle | Deuter Race 10 Litre Rucksack - Hydration Compatible Rucksacks). Guess the only thing to be careful about is the max weight on the seat bag.
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Old 19th April 2012   #27
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Might be worth looking at the blogger who surfaced on this forum, touring east asia I think at the time. He shows his 'minimal' kit, and boy is it minimal. Maybe the 'where did I see this...?' thread could provide a link.
This guy?
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Old 19th April 2012   #28
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Guess the only thing to be careful about is the max weight on the seat bag.
With the Carradice and carbon seatpost, probably, but I don't think you need to worry about it with the bikepack version.
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Old 19th April 2012   #29
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We've been through this.

You're not clamping the post. So say 8 Kg of load in a bikepack jobbie + a 80Kg rider, is no different than a 88Kg rider.
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Old 19th April 2012   #30
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Is friggen genius.
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Old 19th April 2012   #31
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save your self some money, buy a compression bag (10) two straps (2-5). done. 12L is loads of clothes. If you're only carrying clothes then it shouldn't weigh much.

Just start very light and if you need stuff buy it there You ARE in europe (not somalia/indonesian/mongolia)
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Old 19th April 2012   #32
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oh, it is also illegal to race on tiagra. you need at least 105. :)
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Old 19th April 2012   #33
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Or if you're sister's prepared and has panniers etc, stick your stuff on her bike.
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Old 19th April 2012   #34
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save your self some money, buy a compression bag (10) two straps (2-5). done. 12L is loads of clothes. If you're only carrying clothes then it shouldn't weigh much.
Another good suggestion;



(okay it's not exactly stable in picture but with a couple strap it'd be a solid set-up).
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Old 20th April 2012   #35
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This thread is perfect for me.

I would definitely advise against a rucksack, riding to work you probably think ah this isn't too bad but when you've got to wear it for up to 10 hours a day you'll hate the thing. It'll probably cause you no end of aches and pains too, which after a rough nights sleep (can happen) you'll feel like giving up.

I'm currently riding one bike, a Van Nicholas Yukon. Small Furry and Ed will tell you that I was thinking about components for ages before deciding, but it meant that I made all the right decisions.

Being Ti It's very light which means I can strip it back for club runs no problem.

It's got braze on's for a rack and guards (which I leave on all the time) I'm yet to ride with the rack because as Ed mentioned up above I've got one of the bikepack.eu saddle bags, which are awesome. But if you've got a seat post with a slight lay back (I have) you may have troubles fitting the velcro around the seat post.

Wheels are Velocity A23 with 25mm tyres, which without getting on to the wheel debate are very comfy, I'd be happy to tour on 25mm tyres I think now too, (I've only toured on 28mm in the past)

I'd recommend a light tourer/ audax bike over anything based on your list above. The Ridgeback range of bikes (century and the like) are great VFM, as is the Ribble if you want to go for Alu.
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Old 20th April 2012   #36
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BTW. I an recommend Overboard front pannier bags. Solid, waterproof, 12 Ltr,and cheap.

http://www.outdoorgb.com/p/OverBoard...dBundle=171854

Combine with a barbag for snacks and valubles.

http://www.welovetech.co.uk/ProductD...Code=364468461

Would those panniers happily fit on a rear rack? Mine are 56L combined, which is fine for touring but a little OTT for commuting because I tend to fill them just for the sake of it.
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Old 20th April 2012   #37
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I have a seat post rack (two actually) for sale if you decide to go down that route. I'll double check the price, but I think they are the 40 ones from Evans. If so you can have them half price, I used them once on a London to Paris ride.
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Would those panniers happily fit on a rear rack? Mine are 56L combined, which is fine for touring but a little OTT for commuting because I tend to fill them just for the sake of it.
That what I bought mine for. They fit fine.

I have the big rear panniers, smaller front panniers, and the barbag.

The rear panniers sit a bit high for my taste. But there is no disbuting the quality for the price.

Hear they are mounted on 'The Mongrel' (RIP)

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Old 20th April 2012   #39
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They do sit high don't they.

Are they the small ones on the back in that picture?
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Old 20th April 2012   #40
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Small on the front. The rear ones, on the rear, are a lot wider. Its mainly the roll lid that sticks up high, and they ride fine. I'd just rather have them lower.
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Old 24th April 2012   #41
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By the way;



Might be useful;

http://truelovehealth.com/2012/02/07...ight-and-fast/
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Old 24th April 2012   #42
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Great read that Ed.

I've still noticed with the bike packs I have trouble fitting them well with a layback seat post. Does anyone else notice this?
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Old 24th April 2012   #43
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I did, it work better when there's enough room on the railing for the loop to wrap properly, otherwise it'll simply point upward dramatically (as pictured below), can be a problem with modern saddle + setback seatpost.

Get an inline seatpost instead - there's little need for a layback seatpost nowadays.



when mounted properly with zero-setback seatpost(leaving enough room on the saddle rail), saddlebag is much more horizontal;


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Old 24th April 2012   #44
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Hmm think I may have to try another out then Ed. Cheers.

Mines more so that I can't get the velcro part which goes around the post to sit properly.
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Old 24th April 2012   #45
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I did, it work better when there's enough room on the railing for the loop to wrap properly, otherwise it'll simply point upward dramatically (as pictured below), can be a problem with modern saddle + setback seatpost.

Get an inline seatpost instead - there's little need for a layback seatpost nowadays.



when mounted properly with zero-setback seatpost(leaving enough room on the saddle rail), saddlebag is much more horizontal;


The main difference in those pictures is that on the top pic you have the end compression strap pulled tight, as you can see from the gap between the strap and the bag on top...which is why the bag is curved upwards and pointing more upright...because it's being pulled towards the saddle.
On the second pic the end strap isn't pulled tight at all as you can see from the gap between the strap and the rear of the bag.
The angle they're coming off the seat and post is pretty much identical because the saddle is in pretty much the same position with relation to the post, regardless of inline or layback clamps.

It's also worth noting that you have completely different seatpost lengths on both bikes and so you can't really make a comparison with positioning of the bag.
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