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Old 14th February 2012   #1
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A low-sweat bike?

Recently I had a few too many beers and was talking to a friend of mine who is doing many kinds of sports like kickboxing and soccer etc. etc., but REFUSES to ride a bicycle to move around town because he complains that whenever he is riding, he breaks into a sweat because he just can't ride in a relaxed way.

I was then claiming that he's probably spinning too fast and needs a really, really high mash-to-crash gear so his knees+legs give up before his lungs do, and then he would have a bike where he would not sweat (as much) anymore.

Before he's starting to call me where to buy a 66t chainring and a 11t cog: did this beer-driven claim make any sense, or will his "problem" persist?

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Old 14th February 2012   #2
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162" (66/11*700c) is a truly ridiculous gear ratio, I'm pretty sure I couldn't pull away from a standing start (traffic lights, junctions etc) with a gear higher than 100", and even that would be a hernia-standard effort, a lightweight geared machine with an upright position would probably help but the only way of curing the problem is to chill out and not push as hard as you can, which speaking from experience is surprisingly hard to do...
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Old 14th February 2012   #3
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He needs something heavy and slow like a raleigh superbe. Comfy geometry, upright riding style, rod brakes so you daren't go too fast because you know your stopping distance is huuuuuge, and a wicker basket for things to bounce out of if you go too quickly.
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Old 14th February 2012   #4
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^ That's actually a really good idea.

Stiff bikes with instantaneous energy transfer beg to be ridden fast. Whereas a bike that sounds like it's about to explode if you use 3rd gear does not.
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Old 14th February 2012   #5
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I think with a lighter gear he will sweat less, not a heavier. The harder the gear, the more effort to push it, the more you'll sweat. Compare it to weight training. I could probably do 100 squats with 20 kg and not break into a sweat, but 10 with 130 and i'm be dampening....
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Old 14th February 2012   #6
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I think he'll sweat less as his body gets used to the particular exercise.
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Old 14th February 2012   #7
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He just needs a wicking base layer.
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Old 14th February 2012   #8
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... or maybe just needs to ease up on the ephedrine...
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Old 14th February 2012   #9
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Get him a HRM
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Old 14th February 2012   #10
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Old 14th February 2012   #11
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“Fit people’s bodies cool off more efficiently,” says Ali Kerner, a Los Angeles–based personal trainer. “They do this by starting to sweat earlier.” Fit bodies are in the zone when it comes to heavy lifting, running, and so forth because they’ve done it so many times. They kick into gear right away, keeping the body cool from the start, making the whole workout more efficient.
http://www.divinecaroline.com/22176/...it-hows-whys/2

can't find another source now but I heard this before
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Old 14th February 2012   #12
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??
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Old 14th February 2012   #13
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and fit a few of these on the bars
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Old 14th February 2012   #14
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He needs something heavy and slow like a raleigh superbe. Comfy geometry, upright riding style, rod brakes so you daren't go too fast because you know your stopping distance is huuuuuge, and a wicker basket for things to bounce out of if you go too quickly.
This plus a thousand time.

cheap old dutch bike that flex more than a West Midlander's pregnant teenager would do the job.
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Old 14th February 2012   #15
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and fit a few of these on the bars
One of your sex toys?
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Old 14th February 2012   #16
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He works only with leather.
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Old 14th February 2012   #17
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no, i'd work with anything!
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Old 14th February 2012   #18
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Mostly this though:

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Old 14th February 2012   #19
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you'd like a "good hammerin'"?
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Old 14th February 2012   #20
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Nice light carbon fibre road bike that's been "scoble-fied" with rising stem, lots of spacers. A really high gear will probably make him sweat more than a low gear, with massive efforts required to get started and stop, ride hills etc. So best bet would be a very light bike, because they require the least effor to accelerate, ride up hill and so on, maybe some really deep carbon rims to help maintain at speed. Gears, maybe Campag Super Record, will mean he can always be in the right gear, so can trundle along at just the right cadence without raising a sweat.
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Old 14th February 2012   #21
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This is all.



heavier, the better, you take your time accelerating because there's no point pushing it.
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Old 14th February 2012   #22
lae
200mm cranks. No spin = no sweat.

Bullshit actually; the only solution is to cycle less quickly.
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Old 14th February 2012   #23
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you'd like a "good hammerin'"?
Are you telling me to go fuck myself.
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Old 14th February 2012   #24
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How about a moped?
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Old 14th February 2012   #25
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He just needs a wicking base layer.
+1. Cycling should be one of the less sweaty ways of exercising what with all that cooling air flowing over you.

Stuff that blocks air flow ('waterproofs' or a bag on your bag) will turn you into a sweat monster though
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Old 14th February 2012   #26
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I was wearing a wicking base layer (and little else) earlier, but the sweat was still cascading from my barely evolved brow. And there was cooling air flow.

Despite working frantically hard*, however, I was only sustaining 0mph.



*not wanking in an airing cupboard
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Old 14th February 2012   #27
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I think with a lighter gear he will sweat less, not a heavier. The harder the gear, the more effort to push it, the more you'll sweat. Compare it to weight training. I could probably do 100 squats with 20 kg and not break into a sweat, but 10 with 130 and i'm be dampening....
really? i don't think i could do 100 squats with no weight without sweating! i agree with your main point though
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I think he'll sweat less as his body gets used to the particular exercise.
likely
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Old 14th February 2012   #28
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Since I started using the Brompton between stations and destinations, and cycling in normal clothes I have found just going a little slower helps a great deal. I still get a little sweaty but thats when the wicking base layers and the padded shorts comes in.
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Old 14th February 2012   #29
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http://www.divinecaroline.com/22176/...it-hows-whys/2

can't find another source now but I heard this before
http://trainright.com/chris-carmicha...oure-more-fit/

That is true. I have experienced it on myself.
Few years ago i wasn't sweating at all, maybe just a tiny bit of sweat under the armpits.
I wasn't excercising much. Just a bit of run or sometimes gym.

Then i started swimming and cycling, riding a bike everyday and swiming few times a week.
From someone who was always cold and wearing few layers of clothes i turned into someone who rides in a jersey and shorts all year round and breaks a sweat after couple of minutes of excercising.
It looks silly sometimes, covered in an even layer of sweat only after short ride to work like if i just had finished a marathon on a hot summer day. No dry spot on a jersey.

My body reacts this way whenever i do something demanding just a bit
of physical activity like hoovering etc.

Plus side is that i usually stay warm when people around me complain on being cold.

I guess that's how your friends body works as well. Putting him on some 20kg pashley won't do much difference.
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Old 15th February 2012   #30
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Nice light carbon fibre road bike that's been "scoble-fied" with rising stem, lots of spacers. A really high gear will probably make him sweat more than a low gear, with massive efforts required to get started and stop, ride hills etc. So best bet would be a very light bike, because they require the least effor to accelerate, ride up hill and so on, maybe some really deep carbon rims to help maintain at speed. Gears, maybe Campag Super Record, will mean he can always be in the right gear, so can trundle along at just the right cadence without raising a sweat.
You called?

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Old 15th February 2012   #31
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You called?
Perfect. No matter what Mr Ed says you are going to sweat less riding a more efficient bike at the same speed as a stupid 50kg dutch shopper. The real trick is to not ride fast, which an overly upright position, basket and sprung seat seem to assist with.
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Old 15th February 2012   #32
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Are these suggestions of shit, heavy bikes with massive gearing actually genuine?

That Gazelle?? Fuck my clogs...
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Old 15th February 2012   #33
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clogs... not dogs.
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Old 15th February 2012   #34
kerley
a good solution* to stop any sweating is to get a full body botox treatment.
May be expensive and may cause death from overheating so would need to be managed.

*when compared to some of above
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Old 15th February 2012   #35
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Are these suggestions of shit, heavy bikes with massive gearing actually genuine?

That Gazelle?? Fuck my clogs...
Only in that they make you want to ride slowly, whereas road and track bikes make you want to ride fast.

Mind you, you've seen the speed at which I ride my Raleigh, so it's not exactly science.
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Old 15th February 2012   #36
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its been so cold out there of late they should try cycling nekkid, they'll not sweat in this weather
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Old 15th February 2012   #37
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Give him a single-speed with 60 gear inches.

If he's not a spinny person, then it's very low exertion and he'll just pootle along without breaking a sweat.

When I was riding into Holborn from Brentford but had cancelled the gym (so I had no shower at the destination), I worked on finding the optimal speed for getting there in a reasonable time but not breaking a sweat. For me, on a Rohloff, it was gear 9... which is two 13% steps down from the direct drive gear of 76 gear inches... the first 13% step down removes 10 gear inches, and the second 13% step down removes 9 gear inches... so a non-sweat gear for me is 57 inches.

So yeah... low gear... pootle along.

It's definitely a non-sweat gear.

If he breaks a sweat, he's going too fast.
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Old 15th February 2012   #38
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BTW, I spent far too many days trying to figure that out so that it worked in all weather and seasons.

But it does assume you don't race everyone and let yourself be overtaken by others from time to time. You can't let your competitiveness get involved if you want to arrive without humming.
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Old 15th February 2012   #39
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Give him a single-speed with 60 gear inches.

If he's not a spinny person, then it's very low exertion and he'll just pootle along without breaking a sweat.

When I was riding into Holborn from Brentford but had cancelled the gym (so I had no shower at the destination), I worked on finding the optimal speed for getting there in a reasonable time but not breaking a sweat. For me, on a Rohloff, it was gear 9... which is two 13% steps down from the direct drive gear of 76 gear inches... the first 13% step down removes 10 gear inches, and the second 13% step down removes 9 gear inches... so a non-sweat gear for me is 57 inches.

So yeah... low gear... pootle along.

It's definitely a non-sweat gear.

If he breaks a sweat, he's going too fast.
sense
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Old 15th February 2012   #40
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Thanks, some of the advice sounds very reasonable indeed.

I think then the best solution for him is really to get himself a relaxed, upright-position bike that makes you go easy just by its concept, like a dutch bike or whatever.

What I never understood: why does relaxed/easy/city/dutch-bike always mean it MUST be heavy at the same time? It seems to be impossible to buy a dutch-geometry frame that weighs less than a ton -->> scandalous market niche?
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Old 15th February 2012   #41
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What I never understood: why does relaxed/easy/city/dutch-bike always mean it MUST be heavy at the same time? It seems to be impossible to buy a dutch-geometry frame that weighs less than a ton -->> scandalous market niche?
Simple fact that a lightweight dutch bike won't make you sweat less, it just encourage you to push it a little more when it easier to accelerate.

I'm talking about 3/5 speeds dutch bike, not singlespeed (which is ONLY suitable for flat terrain and not the ascend of clerkenwell road).

you can buy a light dutch bike but it'll cost a lots more than 500.
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Old 15th February 2012   #42
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^ sure the bike would be actually "light", i.e. <10kg? or just light in the dutch understanding, like 15kg instead of 22?

I see no reason why a frame has to weigh 300% more just because of different angles -->> market niche
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Old 15th February 2012   #43
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...cheap old dutch bike that flex more than a West Midlander's pregnant teenager would do the job.
Personal experience?
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Old 15th February 2012   #44
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absolute usual bollox, more like
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Old 15th February 2012   #45
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The Gospel According to Ed...
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Old 15th February 2012   #46
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Hmmm.. someone who literally does not want to break into a sweat clearly isn't that bothered about the exercise benefits of the pedal bike. I recommend a scooter.
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Old 15th February 2012   #47
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Or an Oyster Card.
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Old 15th February 2012   #48
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Dumb question - if your mate doesnt want to get places sweaty why doesnt he just unzip his jacket a bit a little while before he gets to where ever hes going and dry out?

Clean fresh sweat doesnt smell when it dries out. Works for me and I'm the type of person that will have an all over sheen before I even get out of breath. Open your jacket a bit a few minutes before you reach and nobody will ever know.
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Old 15th February 2012   #49
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absolute usual bollox, more like
I've been commuting on this monstrosity 11 miles each way and it's singlespeed, I sweat on the hill because I didn't have a lower gearing (singlespeed), now fuck off.

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Old 15th February 2012   #50
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Thanks, some of the advice sounds very reasonable indeed.

I think then the best solution for him is really to get himself a relaxed, upright-position bike that makes you go easy just by its concept, like a dutch bike or whatever.

What I never understood: why does relaxed/easy/city/dutch-bike always mean it MUST be heavy at the same time? It seems to be impossible to buy a dutch-geometry frame that weighs less than a ton -->> scandalous market niche?
Going for a heavy bike == more exertion to move it == more sweat.

I'm not sure who suggested it, but it's a dumb idea.

Go for a light bike, and with 60 gear inches, and just go slower. Very little exertion == little to no sweat.

It's not a hard equation, I'm surprised there are 50 posts to answer this.
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