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Old 15th November 2011   #1
charlie_lcc
 
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Boris:- Fix Bow Roundabout

Please take 20 seconds to tell the Mayor of London that cyclists need a safe Bow roundabout

Two cyclists have been killed by lorries at Bow roundabout in less than three weeks.
London Cycling Campaign is asking all cyclists to write to the Mayor, telling him that the roundabout needs to be re-designed. We have set up a link on our website.
http://lcc.org.uk/articles/please-ta...bow-roundabout

This is what I wrote:- to safeBow@lcc.org.uk
Dear Mayor,
Please go to Bow roundabout, try to walk from where Brian died to where Lana died, take you executives and engineers with you then ask yourselves, "Do we really want to live in a city with streets as insanely hostile as this one".
I'm demanding you implement an urgent and effective redesign of this lethal junction, so no more families suffer the tragic losses of the last few weeks.

Last edited by charlie_lcc; 15th November 2011 at 08:40. Reason: fixed
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Old 15th November 2011   #2
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Johnson's address is missing from that link. It is:

mayor@london.gov.uk
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Old 15th November 2011   #3
cliveodonor
 
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I would also suggest that all e-mails are personalised.
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Old 15th November 2011   #4
charlie_lcc
 
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The link for sending mail is here:
http://lcc.org.uk/pages/bow-roundabout

We are using safeBow@lcc.org.uk so we have a count and dossier of how many people write.
Absolutely personalize your message. That's what I did.

Update: by 10am more than 1000 people had already written to the Mayor. Well done!

Last edited by charlie_lcc; 15th November 2011 at 10:34.
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Old 15th November 2011   #5
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Done. Wot I wrote:

Dear Mayor,

I'm appalled by the two cyclist fatalities that have taken place recently at Bow roundabout.

I am writing to demand that you implement an urgent and effective redesign of this lethal junction, so no more families suffer the tragic losses of the last few weeks.

You will, I'm sure, be aware that the London Cycling Campaign and others have written to Transport for London on a number of occasions highlighting the very serious dangers presented to cyclists and pedestrians at and near this junction, including after it was redesigned to accommodate the Cycle Superhighway.

This tragedy, therefore, seems to have been preventable. Transport for London and the Mayor's office needs to take immediate and urgent steps to make not just this junction, but other junctions such as King's Cross safe for cyclists.

For too long your administration has placed too much priority on smoothing traffic flow at the expense of cyclists' lives. This is unacceptable.

As a cyclist and a Londoner I demand immediate action.

Yours sincerely,

Fox
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Old 15th November 2011   #6
cliveodonor
 
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I wrote directly to Johnson with a copy to the LCC address.
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Old 15th November 2011   #7
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As he's getting inundated, I went for the KISS approach - "sort it!"
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Old 15th November 2011   #8
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+1 "sort it!" Boris
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Old 15th November 2011   #9
joggerdonor
Yes. Done!!!
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Old 15th November 2011   #10
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Mr Mayor,

I apologise for this unsolicited email but feel it necessary to appeal to you.

There have at this point (15/11/11) been fifteen cyclist deaths during the course of 2011.

This is an unnecessary waste of life which is propagated by Transport for London and their terribly designed cycle lanes which encourage cyclists to filter down the left hand side of traffic into the advanced stop zone. An experience cyclist may know that this is suicide but shouldn't we be able to rely on state sanctioned advice to keep us safe?

Of the deaths this year, eight were caused by HGVs, a further three were by vans and one was caused by a bus run by Transport for London.

Add to that that the two most recent deaths were both within walking distance of each other at Bow roundabout and both caused by tipper lorries. Having lived in the bow area for 4 years I'd say would be a fair assumption that both trucks were traffic from the Olympic site. Does London 2012 really need to go ahead at the cost of it's residents lives?

Until you step in and do something about London's road policies their blood will remain on your hands.

Regards
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Old 15th November 2011   #11
chompy
Dear Mr Johnston,

You have made every effort to market yourself as a keen cyclist, and as Mayor you of course implemented the Superhighway scheme to develop and improve cycling infrastructure in London.

Much of these 'improvements' have flown in the face of cycling groups such as the LCC, such as the redevelopment of Blackfriars Bridge, and the end result is made painfully clear as we hear of two more cyclists deaths in the space of two weeks at a particularly dangerous and badly designed section of the 'Superhighway' at Bow roundabout. If we add to this recent revelations surrounding the author of Eilidh Cairn's death and his most recent victim (an elderly pensioner called Nora who was a pedestrian) then it becomes highly evident that your stance on cycling is little more than meaningless posturing and mendacious attempts to engage with those voters who view the environment and sustainable transport as the ideals by which modern cities should operate.

Continuing to ignore tragic incidents such as those being weekly repeated at Bow roundabout, where government designed infrastructure is proving lethal to its intended users, expresses contempt for these same road users and expounds the belief that political opportunism and economics are more important than protecting vulnerable road users and saving lives. Under these circumstances the Superhighway you have so vigorously championed is little more than a lethal advertising billboard for a dubious financial institution. Hardly a legacy any cyclist would like to leave behind him when he has at his disposal the power and the means to change it..

Sincerely,
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Old 15th November 2011   #12
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Done!
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Old 15th November 2011   #13
missmouse
superb emails guys! ^^^^
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Old 15th November 2011   #14
West Greendonor
Done and well done^
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Old 16th November 2011   #15
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Has any approach been made to Barclays about this? I think a concerted push to highlight their association with a deadly scheme might produce pressure on the Mayor from that side as well.
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Old 16th November 2011   #16
Object
 
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As a bank that bankrolled Mugabe's regime I can't imagine they'd take any notice or a couple of dead cyclists.
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Old 16th November 2011   #17
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They are trying to present themselves in a better light, hence the eco/green stuff with cycling.

If they can stand beside LCC when changes are made, they will look less like the arms trade investing, child labour supporting fuckheads that they are.
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Old 16th November 2011   #18
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That and TfL really got to stop repeating the old "oh but it's the lowest number of fatalities" line, there's a difference between acceptable losses and avoidable losses.
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Old 16th November 2011   #20
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Originally Posted by edscoble View Post
there's a difference between acceptable losses and avoidable losses.
What's the difference? Almost all losses are avoidable, just not at an acceptable cost. Or is that what you mean?
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Old 28th December 2011   #21
chompy
just received this from the mayor's office. No doubt cut n'paste but at least someone is being forced to take time to respond...

Quote:
Dear Greg

Bow roundabout and cycle safety

Thank you for your email.

The Mayor is very concerned indeed by the recent fatal collisions at Bow roundabout and his thoughts and sympathies are with the friends and family of both victims.

The Metropolitan Police is investigating both collisions in order to determine the specific causes. Alongside this, Transport for London (TfL) is urgently reviewing the operation of Bow roundabout. In addition, TfL will review all major planned schemes on the Transport for London Road Network and all junctions on the Cycle Superhighways already introduced. This builds on work TfL is already doing to improve cycling safety, for example by trialling blind spot safety mirrors through the Cycle Superhighways programme and developing Heavy Goods Vehicle (HGV) driver training courses to specifically address the safety of vulnerable road users. TfL will widen this work by initiating an independent review of the safety of HGVs used in the construction industry.

The Mayor is determined to maintain and build upon the cycling revolution that is happening in London and, while overall road safety in London is improving, the recent fatal collisions at Bow have made clear the need for all organisations involved, including TfL, the Boroughs, the freight industry and the Police, to redouble their efforts to further improve cycle safety.

Thank you again for writing to the Mayor.

Yours sincerely
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Old 27th January 2012   #22
missmouse
You probably know this already by now, but...

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj...mes/22247.aspx
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Old 27th January 2012   #23
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How do you rate the improvements? I'm not overly familiar with that roundabout. The dedicated lights for cyclist looks good although, from the video, I can imagine in periods of slow / heavy traffic there would still be the real risk of undertaking cyclists putting theirselves at risk. Probably not too much that can be done there although the use of the flyover may help?

Did you notice the bus trying to take out the car 33 secsin?
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Old 27th January 2012   #24
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The risk still exist, and still states that cyclist should always undertake.
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Old 28th January 2012   #25
lae
^ yeah it's a bit daft isn't it. They're attempting to cure the symptom rather than the disease.
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Old 28th January 2012   #26
lae
Actually they're making the symptoms worse.
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Old 28th January 2012   #27
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Epic trackstanding.
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Old 28th January 2012   #28
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Actually, the roundabout is probably safer now than at any time since it was built. I ve been riding across it since 1981.

The problem with it now are caused by the increase in traffic, the volume of cyclists crossing the Lea there and those cyclists varying degrees of skill. When I last rode it regulary only knarled old club men from Essex commuted along that rode.

The other problem, and it's a major one for East London, is that there are only 4 road crossings of the Lea Between Canning Town and Tottenham. So sooner or later cyclists have to mix it with the all the traffic coming in from Essex. Canning Town is even worse, but fewer people come in that way.

What we need is more cycling only routes across the Lower Lea. Yes, there is the canal route into Victoria , but its indirect and badly sign posted.
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Old 5th April 2012   #30
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^^

there are not many cyclists use it because it is so intimidating and dangerous.

imo no we don't want more crappy cycle lanes = segregation.

we want tfl to make it and london safer = 20 mph.

yes tfl it can be made safe = 20 mph.

= integration.
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Old 5th April 2012   #31
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20mph, while desirable, would not be enough to do there, Phil. I've worked on junctions for more than ten years and I can assure you that you just don't tinker with crap junctions like Bow, you start again. (I know that you'd be fully in favour of that, too. As you also know, I'm always keen to tell you that 20mph is only part of the full solution. :) )

Bow Church needs a proper town centre--roughly halfway between Mile End and Stratford. That means taking out the roundabout entirely, creating a simple crossroads junction with much simpler motorway access arrangements (although the best thing would of course be to get rid of the motorway altogether), as well as access to goods, services, employment and education.
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Old 28th June 2012   #32
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I literally live around the corner from the fly over, met with a bloke yesterday. He later told me he got knocked off his bike by a van at bow flyover 2 weeks ago, helmet cracked and was in hospital for a few days.

One other issue with this roundabout is the amount of exits to lanes, most roundabouts with as many exits as this one have 3 lanes, not 2.
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Old 28th June 2012   #33
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Yes Bow roundabout is terrible. Was there last week to have a look. I took some pics which ill post when near a computer. In 10 mins i saw 2 potential left hooks. One where the cyclist road out of the separated bit going straight and a driver turned left missing him just. Many people rode onto the pavement because a bus was parked blocking the narrow separation. Also saw 2 cars clip the concrete segregating the cycle lane one puncturing its tyre. Full report to follow.
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Old 28th June 2012   #34
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and i thought going over the top of the flyover was dangerous

can you get a plan view of the roundabout
i can't see which section is so dangerous ?

is it the bit passing the McDonalds ? there are traffic lights and cycle lanes now i thought that would have done the job ?
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Old 28th June 2012   #35
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Going over the flyover seems the best option avoiding all that bad overcomplex mess below. The cycle lanes and advance lights for cyclists seem to have worsened the situation and added additional waiting time for riders. Many jump the red so they have added a sign on the traffic light " cyclists stop on red"
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Old 28th June 2012   #36
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All of the Bow roundabout is a totally appalling 'design'. There's no particular specific problem that could be isolated, and therefore no point in tinkering with it any further, it just needs to go. Bow is the location of a missing town centre, roughly halfway between Stratford and Mile End. Historically left largely undeveloped (because it is in the flood plain of the River Lea) except for the railway line and now the motorway that replaced it, given that hydraulic engineers now reckon they've got the flood plain sorted, there's no reason why it shouldn't be developed (but properly, not like the disgraceful pile of Tati-esque dystopia that is Westfield). In that process, a proper, simple crossroads needs to be developed which should de-emphasise the motorway access function.
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Old 28th June 2012   #37
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Is one big problem that more traffic wants to access the motorway below than travel over flyover, is this right? Maybe signage and satnav could be altered to send more traffic to the A13 junction.

A far better solution would use the wasted space on the "roundabout" or in reality the inefficient crossroads. If traffic lights hold motor vehicles before the slip roads rather than the current point, a separated cycle path next to flyover could go straight across junction, motor vehicle lanes shifted to the left therefore remove all left turn conflict, and synchronise cycle straight across phase with motor vehicle access to motorway on opposite corners.

As boris said about henleys corner the current solution just screams fuck you to anyone trying to walk or cycle there.
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Old 28th June 2012   #38
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There are lots of possible ways of trying to 'improve' the current junction, but it's not worth bothering with them. Arguing for this sort of scheme would imply acceptance of the current basic design ('roundabout', flyover), and you'll get embroiled in all sorts of pointless technical discussions about motor traffic capacity. Such small schemes will only delay progress. You need to start again here, from scratch. There's just too much wrong with it to try to address individual aspects.
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Old 28th June 2012   #39
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Some images showing the mess:

Too much signage. Motor cycles use the cycle lane. Riders have to stop twice to get through on a short cyclists only phase which doesn't eliminate...



...conflict with left turning vehicles which is the major desire line for the drivers. The additional wait encourages rider to RLJ causing more conflict and the stupid stop on red sign on the traffic light



The bus in the bus stop blocks the access to the cycle lane causing riders to ride on the pavement or move into the main traffic stream (Which is probably better)

I would opt for the flyover which is generally less busy, to go straight towards stratford
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Old 28th June 2012   #40
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What's the difference between the flyover and the roundabout? Like where do they each take you? I went through there once on the way to pick up some stuff from Jeez and did the roundabout on the way there, then the flyover on the way back. Both took about the same length of time* because they were both so horrifically congested (this was between 12pm and 2pm on a weekday).

The roundabout takes you to the motorway, yeah? But what else does it do that the flyover doesn't?


*actually not strictly true - the roundabout took longer as I had to get off my bike and stand by the roadside for 10 minutes to figure wtf I was supposed to do there
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Old 28th June 2012   #41
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You can travel straight through the roundabout to end up where the flyover takes you, too. The latter is just more direct, but obviously not that much use when it's congested, too.

The strategy of getting off your bike and observing a confusing junction before tackling it for the first time is an excellent one, by the way. More people should do this. In an ideal world, we'd only have junctions where this wouldn't be necessary, of course.

To me, the most bizarre feature (among several) of the (wider environment of the) roundabout and flyover arrangement are the contraflow lanes designed to get you to and from Marshgate Lane and Hunt's Lane, respectively.
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