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Old 24th October 2011   #1
markbikeslondon
2011-10-24 - Rider Down/Fatality, Bow flyover

This just tweeted by the BBC's London transport correspondent:
RT @BBCTomEdwards: Met confirm cyclist in his 50s died on Bow flyover after collision with HGV.

From what I can see from twitter chatter about the collision it happened on the roundabout beneath the flyover proper this morning.

Terrible news, I can't believe there's been another HGV / cyclist death so soon after the last one. It's so desperate. Rest in Peace unknown rider.
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Old 24th October 2011   #2
winter
Just heard that the Met have arrested a man on suspicion of careless driving in relation to the death:
http://twitter.com/#!/AysheaBuksh/st...77105746345984

So horrible to hear yet another incident with an HGV. Poor guy...
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Old 24th October 2011   #3
omash27
r i p =[
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Old 24th October 2011   #4
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Jesus christ, again? man that poor bloke.

it's so predictable it's unbelievable, TfL need to be taken to the fucking court.
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Old 24th October 2011   #5
ashleyisdabest
shit thats crazy, i work in stratford and probably use that flyover every other day, RIP cyclist RIP
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Old 24th October 2011   #6
markbikeslondon
From what I can tell this was on the roundabout beneath the flyover, where CS2 from Bow to Aldgate starts / finishes. It's a hideous roundabout. Plans to try and civilize it a bit were turned down by TfL because... it would slow down traffic too much:
http://www.london.gov.uk/mqt/public/...on.do?id=36164
Good to know our city leaders have their priorities right!

That poor man. RIP.
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Old 24th October 2011   #7
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Awful. Condolences to everyone who knew the deceased.
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Old 24th October 2011   #8
OneLessCardigandonor
so sad. condolences to his people.
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Old 24th October 2011   #9
dancing james
 
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Thoughts and prayers go out to the cyclists family and friends
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Old 24th October 2011   #10
Cazakstandonor
 
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Oh no, thoughts with all who knew him, awful news, again.
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Old 24th October 2011   #11
drunken christ
I saw the aftermath of this just before 9 this morning, the accident was on the northern side of the roundabout just after the CS highway ends. Looked like the lorry was turning from the roundabout onto the A12 northbound, although I was going the other way as the southern side of the roundabout and the segregrated CS highway leading from Stratford to Mile End was still open.

I saw it was a lorry involved and hoped it wasn't a cyclist. RIP.
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Old 24th October 2011   #12
ChainBreakerdonor
 
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Rip:-(
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Old 24th October 2011   #13
Multi Grooves
 
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Still praying for this bleak outcome to fall upon a loved-one of these decision makers.


RIP cyclist
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Old 24th October 2011   #14
joggerdonor
RIP.
Terrible news! Appalled and disgusted!
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Old 24th October 2011   #15
hoefladonor
bad news.
RIP cyclist
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Old 24th October 2011   #16
lazysuperherodonor
Fuck, not again :( Rest in peace unknown rider, and condolences to family and friends.
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Old 25th October 2011   #17
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Just saw this on the BBC. TFL must come to their senses and ban lorries in urban areas. Another avoidable death. R.I.P cyclists. Such sad news.
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Old 25th October 2011   #18
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2 BBC news reports within minutes involved lorries killing people. Hope decision makers see this and act.
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Old 25th October 2011   #19
Garnettdonor
Terrible and frightening news. Thoughts go to those left behind.

Self-centred, it has made me hesitate before getting on my bike this morning.

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Originally Posted by markbikeslondon View Post
Plans to try and civilize it a bit were turned down by TfL because... it would slow down traffic too much:
http://www.london.gov.uk/mqt/public/...on.do?id=36164
Good to know our city leaders have their priorities right!
That is pretty shocking. Do any cycling groups investigate TfL's duty of care to cyclists?
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Old 25th October 2011   #20
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also just seen this on the BBC, they made a point of emphasising that this is the first fatality on a Cycle Super Highway. I hate to say it but it may be that the negative PR will make TfL/Barclays more likely to act?

thoughts go to the poor soul's family and friends.
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Old 25th October 2011   #21
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R.i.p.
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Old 25th October 2011   #22
cliveodonor
 
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This is tragic. A waste. Sincere condolences to family and friends.
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Old 25th October 2011   #23
Ordinata
 
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RIP Cyclist. Stay safe people.
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Old 25th October 2011   #24
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also just seen this on the BBC, they made a point of emphasising that this is the first fatality on a Cycle Super Highway. I hate to say it but it may be that the negative PR will make TfL/Barclays more likely to act?
doubt it, the cycle lane in the past has always put people at risk, but the highlight is never mentioned.

but can see your point, maybe people realised that such design actually put them at greater risk, and one of those day I hope TfL is put to trail for causing the death of the London cyclists.
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Old 25th October 2011   #25
catfood
thought s with his friends and fam. what a waste.
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Old 25th October 2011   #26
Woah Catsdonor
 
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Of course one fatality is too many but the frequency is frankly unnerving. RIP.
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Old 25th October 2011   #27
villa-ru
 
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RIP.

Again - hope something good can come from this.
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Old 25th October 2011   #28
markbikeslondon
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Originally Posted by Garnett View Post

That is pretty shocking. Do any cycling groups investigate TfL's duty of care to cyclists?
The Kings Cross environment blog are encouraging the coroner and CPS who are looking after Min Joo Lee's case to push for a corporate manslaughter case against TfL over King's Cross:
http://www.kingscrossenvironment.com...gyrations.html

They need road user's experiences as part of their case, so if you can help do join in over on their website. The whole process is well worth a read too.

This isn't really the place to discuss this though, maybe we should set up an "Action" post?
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Old 25th October 2011   #29
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Condolences, my thoughts are with the riders friends and family.
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Old 25th October 2011   #30
botoxking
RIP

My condolences to the family and friends of the cyclist - very sad news indeed.

On another note - isn't this an area that was highligted recently as the CS was not going to be continued through the roundabout until after the Olympics? I think I remember Newham Council saying they didn't want to extend the CS over the roundabout because they didn't want to encourage any more cyclists to this dangerous junction?

Also @markbikeslondon I agree there should be another post for action on this - it just seems like this is happening far too often!
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Old 25th October 2011   #31
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RIP cyclist. The frequency of this is getting depressing.
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Old 25th October 2011   #32
Gussio
Very sad news. RIP.
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Old 25th October 2011   #33
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RIP
On another note - isn't this an area that was highligted recently as the CS was not going to be continued through the roundabout until after the Olympics? I think I remember Newham Council saying they didn't want to extend the CS over the roundabout because they didn't want to encourage any more cyclists to this dangerous junction?
Correct. The mayor of Newham won't do anything to improve safety for cyclists around there because he doesn't think cycling on roads should be encouraged. That was the case about six months ago anyway; I doubt anything has changed though the Newham LCC group will know.

Awful news again, thoughts are with friends and family.
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Old 25th October 2011   #34
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My girlfriend told me about this last night, her workshop is there between bow arts trust and the Macdonalds and she saw ambulances etc, we could not find anything about it on the net until now and both of us very sad to hear of another cyclists death. Our thoughts go out to his family and friends. Don't know if it had anything to do with it but that stretch of 'superhighway' is a farce, narrow, broken and always with vehicles parked in it. Pointless.
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Old 25th October 2011   #35
Shinigami
Why do people keep dying for doing the right thing? Why are they being punished for being more environmentally friendly, health concious and reducing congestion. Surely these are the people we should be most protecting. Why are we letting them down. Why does this continue to happen?

RIP fellow cyclist
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Old 25th October 2011   #36
northernboy1979
RIP cyclist
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Old 25th October 2011   #37
Gatti
 
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RIP another pointless tragedy because people value time and money over life .
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Old 25th October 2011   #38
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Thoughts with victim and his family.

TfL & BoJo really need to reflect on this. If they don't, we must make them.
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Old 25th October 2011   #39
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Not again. Our thoughts are with this guy's family and friends.

I heard of this while in a meeting with Hackney Borough who are already rolling out training for all their HGV drivers, including on bike sessions. They are hoping to offer it to all transport operators in the borough and to make it a condition of planning applications that drivers delivering to sites should also get this level of training.
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Old 25th October 2011   #40
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That's one horrible roundabout I use it daily for my commute thankfully for me I was off yesterday or might have been caught up in the accident, very sad news that another cyclist has lost there life RIP cyclist
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Old 25th October 2011   #41
somebodydonor
thoughts and prayers with the rider, friends and family.

yes i have posted on here for a number or years that this road environment is dangerous. and particularly for cyclists.

i have also made representations to the olympics travel orgainsers about the dangerous conditions that exist for riders trying to access this area of london.

of course i have been largely ignored and sidelined.
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Old 25th October 2011   #42
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This is one of the roundabouts where fatalities are programmed into the 'design'. Horrible and not at all surprising. May the rider rest in peace, and consolences to his family. :(

Yes, the roundabout itself was not part of the Superhighway. Having said that, the Superhighway funding wouldn't have done much good here. What's required is a wholesale redesign, demolition of the flyover and a proper, tighter at-grade junction, with some decent development around it. It's a million-pound project to eradicate the stupidity of the past.
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Old 25th October 2011   #43
Titivulusdonor
[SIZE=3]RIP poor cyclist. My condolences to all who knew him. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]This is what I sent to TfL last week..[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3] I was very gratified to view tonight's vital report on the London Regional News about the most recent cycling fatality. I sincerely hope it will dissuade innocent cyclists from putting their lives at risk on London roads.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]This is just to say I will support any move to prosecute TfL for corporate maslaughter. The marketing of the cycle hire scheme and cycle superhighways should never have proceeded without a ban on HGVs in the rush hour. There would have been another fatality at London Bridge today but for the guerilla tactics of the woman involved. This vehicle should never have been at London Bridge in the rush hour! [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]I do not require a reply as I am in full possession of the facts. I have watched this situation escalate into the nightmare we have now and it must stop. After cycling many thousands of miles in London I have all but given up. The times I have come closest to death have all been in the last 18 months and all with HGVs in good visibility on straight roads nowhere near junctions. There has to be some accountability.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]I sincerely hope to see someone from TfL in the dock next time a cyclist is mown down, particularly if it occurs at Blackfriars, Vauxhall, Kings Cross or Elephant and Castle.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]I hope everyone will make their feelings known.. Might make someone feel a little bit uncomfortable. Maybe.[/SIZE]
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Old 25th October 2011   #44
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Commiserations to the victim and his people.
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Old 25th October 2011   #45
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RIP cyclist, condolences to family and friends. I am just so sad about this happening yet again.
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Old 25th October 2011   #46
kboy
 
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rip fellow rider
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Old 26th October 2011   #47
Woodie
 
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Very sad. I commuted over that flyover for a year when I was living in London and it truly is a horrible junction. RIP.
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Old 26th October 2011   #48
Greasy Slag
 
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RIP another pointless tragedy because people value time and money over life .

this is it.


rip, such sad news
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Old 26th October 2011   #49
flamenco craig
Hi guys just created this account after reading this distressing news, I remember a friend of a nurse friend dying by a left turning lorry just east of the green bridge at Mile End some seventeen years ago.
My contribution to the discussion is that the last time I tried to negotiate the bow flyover I was going to Stratford from Whitechapel for a carers meeting, I was in a hurry and all the back routes were blocked off, none of the changes were marked and there was no attempt to redirect onto safer routes, I then found myself on a feeder route I think onto the Blackwall tunnel, I finally found the only route was the main drag, no double entendre intended.
I did explore the new link by the canal recently and like the other contributor, found it to be going in the wrong direction, nice if you want a pleasant cycle to Vicky Park, but useless for going to Stratford. Then once the other side of the circle of death (Bow Flyover) I found notices proclaiming the previously mentioned back routes would be out of commission until I think it said 2015.
Stay alive, luv C xx
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Old 26th October 2011   #50
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Originally Posted by Titivulus View Post
[SIZE=3]RIP poor cyclist. My condolences to all who knew him. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]This is what I sent to TfL last week..[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3] I was very gratified to view tonight's vital report on the London Regional News about the most recent cycling fatality. I sincerely hope it will dissuade innocent cyclists from putting their lives at risk on London roads.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]This is just to say I will support any move to prosecute TfL for corporate maslaughter. The marketing of the cycle hire scheme and cycle superhighways should never have proceeded without a ban on HGVs in the rush hour. There would have been another fatality at London Bridge today but for the guerilla tactics of the woman involved. This vehicle should never have been at London Bridge in the rush hour! [/SIZE][SIZE=3] [/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]I do not require a reply as I am in full possession of the facts. I have watched this situation escalate into the nightmare we have now and it must stop. After cycling many thousands of miles in London I have all but given up. The times I have come closest to death have all been in the last 18 months and all with HGVs in good visibility on straight roads nowhere near junctions. There has to be some accountability.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]I sincerely hope to see someone from TfL in the dock next time a cyclist is mown down, particularly if it occurs at Blackfriars, Vauxhall, Kings Cross or Elephant and Castle.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]I hope everyone will make their feelings known.. Might make someone feel a little bit uncomfortable. Maybe.[/SIZE]


You're kidding, right?! These people have more front than than Blackpool...until it's brought home and it's their own daughter or a media darling that's being scraped off the cold concrete that they're burying....

Contemptuous ****s
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