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Old 27th August 2011   #1
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Secondary Locks

After it being requested/suggested several times, I have decided to give the option to those who want it, for a secondary locks section.

These locks will mostly be 13mm/14mm, as that is certainly acceptable for securing a front wheel-to-frame situation.
Its not as good as the 16-19mm u-locks listed in the Locks That Work thread, but its much better than cables, and armoured cables.

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U-Locks of 13mm-14mm thickness (average):

Abus U-Mini RED* - £40.00 (80mm x 145mm)
http://www.rutlandcycling.com/33115/Abus-U-Mini-Red-D-Lock---2011.html
Abus U-Mini 401 YELLOW* - £49.99 [Sold Secure Gold - better for insurance purposes] (80mm x 145mm)
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/s...ource=shopping
Halfords Magnum Plus Mini - £54.99 [Sold Secure Gold - better for insurance purposes] (90mm x 140mm)
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/s...Id_165637#dtab
Kabrus XL202 alarmed U-lock - £39.99
http://www.kabrus.co.uk/xl202.html
Kabrus XL303 [14mm + plastic cover = 17mm] alarmed U-lock £44.99
http://www.kabrus.co.uk/xl303.html
http://www.kabrus.co.uk/store/index....rus-xl303.html
Kryptonite Evolution Mini 2011 - £28.75 [The hardcore and the courier's choice] (76mm x 140mm)
http://www.parker-international.co.u...Mini-Lock.html
Magnum LK 3103 - £16.99 (90mm x 140mm) [a real bargain]
http://www.woollyhatshop.com/Locks-S...prod_5542.html
Masterlock Street Fortum Gold - £29.99 [a bit long for the tight clearances that makes a secondary lock work best]
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=39786
OnGuard Bulldog Mini - £13.98 [bargain excellence] (90mm x 140mm)
{THIS LOCK NEEDS DAILY LUBING IF LEFT OUTDOORS; NOT WEATHERPROOFED AT ALL}
http://www.allterraincycles.co.uk/product/102116.html
Squire Hammerhead - £34.99 (13mm x 230mm) [longer than most in this list, so be careful its what you want]
http://www.jejamescycles.co.uk/squir...k-id74251.html

Lock Lube (Grease or Spray)
http://www.maplin.co.uk/graphite-lock-lubricant-444745
http://www.wheelspinmodels.co.uk/i/111601/

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Main Locks that can be Secondary Locks: (due to smaller size, but note MASSIVE weight!)
Kryptonite New York Fahgettaboudit Mini [18mm] £59.89 [2.74kgs ] [Sold Secure Gold] (83mm x 153mm)
http://www.tredz.co.uk/.Kryptonite-N...Lock_15258.htm
Onguard Brute Mini 5112 [16.8mm] $34.95 [2.109kgs] (90mm x 140mm)
http://www.bikelockshops.com/NG5112.html (USA)

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Alarm Disc Locks: (very useful in shared accomodation).

VirtualVillage 6mm Motorcycle alarm disc lock (110db) £21.99
http://www.virtualvillage.co.uk/6mm-...04616-034.html
JBSL02 Alarm Disc Lock (100db) £22.95
http://www.alarm-padlocks.co.uk/inde...d&productId=24 (a good deal)
http://www.elitesecuritysupplies.com...s_u_locks.html
LA-01 Alarm padlock(105db) £16.99 (adequate chainring-based deterrent, but easily cut)
http://www.ultrasecuredirect.com/aca...m_Padlock.html
LA-02 Alarm disc lock (100db) £22.95
http://www.ultrasecuredirect.com/aca...m_Padlock.html
Oxford Boss (110db) £66.49
http://www.ngales.com/products_info.asp?id=181
Oxford Screamer Alarm Disc Lock (100db) £28.49
http://www.ngales.com/products_info.asp?id=228
SNC 808 Alarm Disc Lock (110db) £19.99
http://www.mandp.co.uk/productinfo/5...larm-Disc-Lock
http://www.sncalarmlock.com/products.SNC14.html
Xena XZZ6 Alarm Disc Lock (110db) £31.95 (+ postage)
http://www.motorbike-security.co.uk/...ity-disc-lock/


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Axle / Skewer Locks:

For solid axles (ie. fixed gear hubs)
Atomic 22 [needs to be bought direct from manufacturer]
http://atomic22.co.uk/tracknuts.html
Pinhead
http://www.pinheadlocks.com/index.ph...mid=60&lang=en
Pitlock
http://www.urbanbiketech.com/category-s/26.htm


For hollow axles (ie. quick release)
Hublox Security Skewers
http://www.ukbikestore.co.uk/product...g-skewers.html
KF Secura Locking Skewers Set
http://www.dotbike.com/ProductsP6262...m_campaign=DDI
Pinhead Duo
http://www.cycle-route.com/bikeshop/...kewer-Set.html
Pinhead Tri
http://www.timani-ltd.co.uk/index.ph...roducts_id=148
Pitlock
http://www.hubjub.co.uk/etc/pitlock.htm
Trans-X Security Quick Release
http://www.parkersofbolton.co.uk/p-3...kewer-set.aspx
Zefal Lock n Roll
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Zefal_Lock'N'Roll_QR_Antitheft_Skewer_-_Pair/5360043685/


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Non-U-Lock style: NO LONGER RECOMMENDED AT ALL.

Abus Bordo Granit X-Plus Folding Link Lock 85cm - £84.99 [impossible to bottle jack, but links are very vulnerable to hammer or lever attacks]
http://www.tredz.co.uk/.Abus-Bordo-G...Lock_28493.htm



*This lock is advertised as having a 16mm thick steel bar, but that is advertising-speak. Its 13mm, but 16mm with the plastic cover.
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Old 27th August 2011   #2
Mankind is doomed
There is only one true secondary lock - the lock that no man will break.
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Old 27th August 2011   #3
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I think the definitive lock in this arena is the Krytonite Evolution 4 Mini. The price point at approximately £30.50 seems to be very reasonable and realistic. The Abus 401 Mini does not seem to me to be a tougher lock at all, just more expensive, and not warranting it at all. The OnGuard Bulldog Mini deserves some respect, as its pull strength is apparently 10 tons, whereas the Masterlock Fortnum Gold has only a measly 2 ton pull strength.

IMO, the Kryptonite takes the crown in this category, with the OnGuard running it extremely close, and actually possibly winning, if the price point is the more important factor.


EDIT:
Scott has corrected me on the benefits of the Abus U-Mini 401 Yellow. It IS a very superior lock, and I'm glad to say it. Though I can't explain why its superior to the Red version, it clearly must be, as shown by its security/insurance rating, and its price. Buy with confidence.

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Old 27th August 2011   #4
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Why is the krypto better than the onguard? Krypto's only have a locking mechanism on one side, but the onguard claims to have two.

In the event of angle grinding, this could make all the difference as the onguard would still need to be bent open to release the bike where the Krypto would come apart after one cut.
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Old 27th August 2011   #5
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You make a very good point DeadlyFannyPack. And you're right, the OnGuard seems to have it insofar that it needs two cuts to be released, instead of the Krypto's one. But the reason I think the Krypto nicks it is because of the perceived quality. I'm sure you've handled it, and its a very study thing. In fact a few years ago I had a long discussion with a bike shop manager on what was the best bike lock. He was absolutely convinced that it was the Evo Mini. Its actually extremely rare that any of these are cut off bikes, unless the person was unfortunate enough to use it as a sole and main lock. But as a second lock, it has one hell of a reputation. Yes, any and all of these can be cut off with bolt croppers, but its not just the bar that gets attacked - its the whole thing. And as a unit, I feel that there is no stronger lock within this criteria.

I will investigate this as much as I can though, and will certainly be very happy to change it if the OnGuard proves to be the better overall. Fair?
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Old 27th August 2011   #6
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There's not much you can do about the postcode lottery, and the fact that more well-to-do thieves will move to other boroughs in order to get into secondary locks with a better reputation.
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Old 27th August 2011   #7
Garnett
GA2G - been reading your threads about locks and locking up bikes with interest - very helpful info. They have definitely made me thing about my bike security a bit more.

A lot of posts have recommended two d-locks as the best set up. I'm assuming that insurance companies probably require that you use a "Sold as Gold" lock for insurance purposes, so wouldn't a decent secondary lock be the cheapest decent d lock? Such as the GRP Superdeals locks mentioned in the Locks that work thread?
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Old 27th August 2011   #8
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Garnett, the GRPS lock too big and heavy to be a secondary lock. Its a primary lock. You wouldnt really want to carry 2 of those, or 2 that were equivalent. This thread is more about compromise and convenience, yet still looks for the quality options within this market.

For insurance purposes, then getting 2 locks that were rated as SOLD SECURE GOLD would be the best options. I don't believe with that line of thinking, rather to use the best locks than go by the insurance companies' recommendations. Best if both coincide of course.
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Old 27th August 2011   #9
Black Rainbow Project
Should the Abus mini yellow not be in here too? It's cheaper than the bordo and can be bought for less than the halfords but is rated Gold secure, and isn't much heavier than a mini evo.
It's what I now use as my second lock instead of my mini fahg.
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Old 27th August 2011   #10
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I'd seen it Scott, but didn't know if there was actually a difference between the Abus U-Mini 401 Red or the Yellow version. Happy to change it if there is. I'll check, as I may have mistaken it for a cosmetic variation, and may have been wrong.


EDIT:
Very strange. The specification seems the same, and yet there is a clear difference in security rating and price. I'll therefore change the version listed to the yellow one.

What I've done is leave both in, so people can choose based on their budgets, or their insurance concerns.

Last edited by GA2G; 27th August 2011 at 17:36.
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Old 27th August 2011   #11
Black Rainbow Project
I believe the yellow is thicker in the shackle.
It's expensive for some as a second lock, but as it's still small and light compared to other gold secure locks i would rather pay the £2O extra personally.

It certainly beats lugging a mini fahg around just to lock rear wheel to frame.
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Old 27th August 2011   #12
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Agreed.
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Old 27th August 2011   #13
Black Rainbow Project
I did find info somewhere but can't remember where...i'm certain there was a difference in shackle thickness between the two. I think some shops are actually mixing the info up to be honest, and abus has a shit site.
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Old 28th August 2011   #14
Garnett
Thanks GA2G.


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Garnett, the GRPS lock too big and heavy to be a secondary lock. Its a primary lock. You wouldnt really want to carry 2 of those, or 2 that were equivalent. This thread is more about compromise and convenience, yet still looks for the quality options within this market.

For insurance purposes, then getting 2 locks that were rated as SOLD SECURE GOLD would be the best options. I don't believe with that line of thinking, rather to use the best locks than go by the insurance companies' recommendations. Best if both coincide of course.
It seems to me there's 2 reasons to lock your bike - 1) to try to deter/prevent theft and 2) to validate insurance.

Not sure if insurance companies recognise use of more than 1 "Sold Secure Gold" so 1 would presumably be sufficient for claiming.

Therefore second lock is presumably only for reason 1.
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Old 28th August 2011   #15
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Quite a few people on here need to lock their bikes with a Sold Secure Gold lock, as it (I believe) stipulates it in either their household, or single purpose bicycle insurance.

I don't buy into it at all though, as its the manufacturer that has to go to Sold Secure, and then pay to get their lock tested and listed. Manufacturers that don't do this remain unlisted, like Xena (with their fantastic alarmed u-locks) and Motrax.

Also, quite unbelievably, some tiny cable locks have been given Sold Secure Gold status, and everyone knows that they can almost be bitten through with one's own gnashers. It leaves me very sceptical of the whole enterprise.
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Old 31st August 2011   #16
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Quite a few people on here need to lock their bikes with a Sold Secure Gold lock, as it (I believe) stipulates it in either their household, or single purpose bicycle insurance.

I don't buy into it at all though, as its the manufacturer that has to go to Sold Secure, and then pay to get their lock tested and listed. Manufacturers that don't do this remain unlisted, like Xena (with their fantastic alarmed u-locks) and Motrax.

Also, quite unbelievably, some tiny cable locks have been given Sold Secure Gold status, and everyone knows that they can almost be bitten through with one's own gnashers. It leaves me very sceptical of the whole enterprise.
I have very much the same feelings. A lot of stuff with the badge looks well naff. The only reason would be to meet the demands of your insurance company. Another thing which is total BS, is the insurance that comes with locks like some Magnum or Krypto's waaaayy to many clauses such as having to provide the defeated lock. Having evidence you locked it properly, having receipts for your bike and more.. I believe some of them require that your prove no powertools or jacks were used. That they have to have been CUT.

When I did Evans staff training, out of everyone there at head office & trainee's not a single person knew of someone who had sucessfully claimed the insurance money. Yet they trained us to emphasise the value of it anyway for the hard sell!

I am fond of finding chinese/unbranded gems like your GPRS lock. But I worry that there is no way to know the quality of the steel used, if they have any hardening at all.
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Old 31st August 2011   #17
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XENAs should be in here, no?


Thanks for the threads, GA2G, much appreciated!
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Old 31st August 2011   #18
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cheers for the thread ashe.

having left my kryptonite mini on a wall outside the spurstowe a couple of weeks ago i am in the market for another secondary lock and need to check what's out there.
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Old 31st August 2011   #19
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Personally, if I am locking up in a high risk environment I use my Abus Granit X54 as the secondary to my mighty Fahg. It is only half a kilo more than most of the weaker smaller locks.

The Krabus alarm U-lock I also occasionally use and I think works well as a secondary (just not as a primary), given it also has the alarm and weighs less than a 1kg.

One of the aspects people need to consider is if they are using the secondary lock on the front wheel, frame and post (unlike around the seat post, wheel, pedals etc.) is that it is not so easy to pack it out. Hence, I think secondary locks with big space shackles can be vulnerable. IMO I would look to use smaller space locks like the Evo and Kabrus as secondaries, over bigger ones.
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Old 31st August 2011   #20
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Out of interest, anyone looked at or have one of the Squire Snaplocks?

http://www.squirelocks.co.uk/pdfs/squire_snaplok2.pdf

Looks an interesting and potentially useful shape

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Old 1st September 2011   #21
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Interesting shape, but it looks not very strong. A good hammer should have that off pretty sharpish.

It rates terribly in this review.
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Old 1st September 2011   #22
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Interesting shape, but it looks not very strong. A good hammer should have that off pretty sharpish.

It rates terribly in this review.
Thanks.

17 seconds ! ouch. Once again makes a mockery of the Sold Secure ratings.
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Old 7th September 2011   #23
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Looking forward to the Magnum 3103 coming to market.


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Old 7th October 2011   #24
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I own an Almax lock which I'm currently selling. Anyone know how I can post a for sale ad? :S
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Old 7th October 2011   #25
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On the main/home page of the forum there is a CLASSIFIEDS section. Post it for sale there.
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Old 13th October 2011   #26
chewyy01
Abus mini 401 yellow problem

Has any one got one of these. I have a problem with my lock. One of the double bolts doesn't open completely sometimes and the lock won't open you have to turn the lock around and use gravity to push the mechanism open completely.
When the lock is locked to the bike you can't flip it and I am left banging the lock scratching my bike until it opens.
Don't know if it just my lock or a design flaw.
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Old 13th October 2011   #27
Black Rainbow Project
I've been using mine for a few months with no problems.
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Old 13th October 2011   #28
dannz
Have you tried WD40? A quick squirt can do wonders.
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Old 13th October 2011   #29
dannz
Onguard Bulldog mini is great value, and doesn't weigh a ton like some. (also you get up to £500 should you get bike stolen if lock gets cut/broken by non-power tools).
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Old 13th October 2011   #30
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EDIT:
Very strange. The specification seems the same, and yet there is a clear difference in security rating and price. I'll therefore change the version listed to the yellow one.

What I've done is leave both in, so people can choose based on their budgets, or their insurance concerns.
I have been trying to get a bit more information about the Abus mini from german websites, but it is still confusing. Abus themselves don't list it on their website at all.
Some vendors sell the red one for about half the price of the yellow one. Others treat both as the same item, same price, choose your color to taste.
There is also conflicting information about the shackle thickness: 14mm for red, 16mm for red, 14mm for yellow, 16mm for yellow.

I might call abus germany directly and ask them what the actual specs are for both.
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Old 13th October 2011   #31
Black Rainbow Project
The information I originally found implied that the yellow is a thicker shackle, hence why it is gold rated and the red is only silver rated.
I also found weights that showed the yellow being heavier which would support that information.
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Old 14th October 2011   #32
dannz
I have yellow Abus Mini - Gold rated. 1034 grams according to my kitchen scales.
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Old 15th October 2011   #33
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Have you thought about moving the other secondary security stuff (skewers, alarms etc) over from the first post of the Locks that Work thread?
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Old 15th October 2011   #34
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Good point, but I think I will leave them in that thread, as they are locks that work. I may copy them over though......which seems appropriate.

Last edited by GA2G; 15th October 2011 at 18:24.
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Old 18th October 2011   #35
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Why is the krypto better than the onguard? Krypto's only have a locking mechanism on one side, but the onguard claims to have two.
I have used the Evo Mini and two different onguard locks (Brute and Beast) so far. Personally i would take the equivalent Krypto over the Onguard any time.
But only because the Krypto locks are more resistant to weather and have far better long term reliability. The Onguard i left outside started rusting very quickly. My evo mini has been outside for a year with hardly any rust. Also the Krypto keys are made from a stronger material, possibly steel. Onguard keys are made from what i suppose is brass and i managed to bend one with normal use.

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I have yellow Abus Mini - Gold rated. 1034 grams according to my kitchen scales.
Do you know the shackle thickness of your yellow one? Would be very much appreciated if you could provide the world with an accurate measurement. ;)
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Old 18th October 2011   #36
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Very good points Timer.
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Old 19th October 2011   #37
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Mini evo currently just £28.70 from Amazon, free delivery: http://amzn.to/pqrru0
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Old 19th October 2011   #38
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Kyrpto lock with 4ft steel cable
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Old 21st November 2011   #39
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It seems that some lock prices have actually come down. The Kryptonite has come down by not far off £2, and the Onguard has has a massive £5 price drop. Must be Xmas.


EDIT:
Bought one of these today (02-Dec-11) online. Will report back with my findings after I've received and used it.

Last edited by GA2G; 2nd December 2011 at 17:13.
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Old 26th January 2012   #40
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It seems that some lock prices have actually come down. The Kryptonite has come down by not far off £2, and the Onguard has has a massive £5 price drop. Must be Xmas.


EDIT:
Bought one of these today (02-Dec-11) online. Will report back with my findings after I've received and used it.
Thoughts on the Bulldog Mini? I've read a few reviews on the net whereby people found their keys getting stuck after a couple of weeks use, but at £12 or whatever they cost I think I might just take a punt anyway.
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Old 26th January 2012   #41
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To be honest I'm yet even to use it, as my bike is either locked inside my flat, or securely underground at work.
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Old 26th January 2012   #42
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Wouldn't recommend the On-Guard. I'm on my second one in 6 weeks, both jammed for reasons I don't understand. Used every day so have got a bit wet but I'm pretty conscientious about using wd4o on almost a weekly basis, having been caught out with a jammed lock in the past. First lock jammed whilst stuffed in my pocket, key would go in and out but wouldn't turn. To be fair to the uk distro guys they replaced it without batting a lash. Unfortunately the second lock has jammed in exactly the same way after only being used for about a week, this time looped on the frame. I'm pretty sure that I've just been unlucky having two locks go wrong on the trot, but as above a quick look on-line soon tells you that the random jamming is a bit of an issue. Just ordered a Fagh... won't be skimping on the cost of a lock again!
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Old 1st February 2012   #43
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Just bought a mini evo only to find it was a hair too short for what i needed. I need something more like 160mm, care to recommend anything?

Last edited by spotter; 1st February 2012 at 18:45.
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Old 1st February 2012   #44
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Has anyone had any experience with the Atomic 22 nuts? Do we know how much they cost direct?
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Old 2nd February 2012   #45
alasdairw
Personally I always carry my krypto chain and lock. Your bike will always be pinched when you use your second best lock
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Old 2nd February 2012   #46
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Personally I always carry my krypto chain and lock. Your bike will always be pinched when you use your second best lock
Secondary locks are meant to be used in addition to, not instead of, the primary lock.
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Old 13th February 2012   #47
wapiti
GA2G,
there`s another lock for your list of secondary locks, it“s better than the Abus U-Mini 40 and perhaps could beat even Krypto“s Evo Mini: Abus Granit Futura Mini.
It“s rated 11 out of 15 from Abus and has a disc style cylinder. The Abus U-Mini 40 is rated only 10 out of 15.

wapiti
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Old 13th February 2012   #48
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Good find. Thanks, I'll add it.



EDIT:
Sorry, on further investigation, I've found that the bar diameter is only 11mm, so below the 13mm-14mm required for this list. Still, it is a good option, just not as good as the 2 Abus locks listed already. Pricey for a 11mm lock.

Last edited by GA2G; 13th February 2012 at 22:22.
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Old 13th February 2012   #49
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Wouldn't recommend the On-Guard. I'm on my second one in 6 weeks, both jammed for reasons I don't understand. Used every day so have got a bit wet but I'm pretty conscientious about using wd4o on almost a weekly basis, having been caught out with a jammed lock in the past. First lock jammed whilst stuffed in my pocket, key would go in and out but wouldn't turn. To be fair to the uk distro guys they replaced it without batting a lash. Unfortunately the second lock has jammed in exactly the same way after only being used for about a week, this time looped on the frame. I'm pretty sure that I've just been unlucky having two locks go wrong on the trot, but as above a quick look on-line soon tells you that the random jamming is a bit of an issue. Just ordered a Fagh... won't be skimping on the cost of a lock again!
It might be the WD40. I've used GT85 on lock mechanisms without any problems but have recently heard it's best to use a dry graphite lubricant.
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Old 13th February 2012   #50
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Also I have a little gift for GA2G. I saw this and thought of you.

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