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Old 18th January 2013   #3901
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I'll stand by andyp but if big "Buffalo" Bill Hincapie also confesses to lieing all bets are off.
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Old 18th January 2013   #3902
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A woman at work, who has no interest in cycling whatsoever, told me how Armstrong was the main inspiration for her husband when he fought cancer – and lost. When he was ill to sit up in bed reading he would listen to Armstrong's audio book and had tears in his eyes. He would say things like: "If Armstrong can win Tour the France after having cancer, the surely I can manage to survive this". He didn't but his widow always held Amstrong in high esteem after that. Whenver she saw one of those yellow rubber bands she thought of her late husband's final weeks.

Except now. She just hates the lying cunt - not so much cheating in sport, but for messing with the minds of millions of cancer patients.
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Old 18th January 2013   #3903
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trying to pinch his bottom
2 birds, one stone
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Old 18th January 2013   #3904
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She just hates the lying cunt - not so much cheating in sport, but for messing with the minds of millions of cancer patients.
To be fair, he did come back from cancer and do something most well people couldn't do (ride the tour), let alone someone recovering from cancer, so he can still be a source of inspiration.

It's just on top of that he's a lying, cheating, cunt.
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Old 18th January 2013   #3905
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Where can one watch this complete shower?
I watched it on yuotube:

(part 1, there are moar parts)
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Old 18th January 2013   #3906
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2 birds, one stone
Heartless jab at Lance's testicle ?
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Old 18th January 2013   #3907
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To be fair, he did come back from cancer and do something most well people couldn't do (ride the tour), let alone someone recovering from cancer, so he can still be a source of inspiration.

It's just on top of that he's a lying, cheating, cunt.
My dad came back from cancer and was as good at cycling after as he was before....I'd assume there are thousands of similar stories
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Old 18th January 2013   #3908
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what about Bruyneel?
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Old 18th January 2013   #3909
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FULL VIDEO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=43EE9I8ZMFc
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Old 18th January 2013   #3910
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what about Bruyneel?
He's been thrown under the (US Postal) bus.
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Old 18th January 2013   #3911
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I wonder how what percentage of the advertising monies our uniting LA managed to pocket.......
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Old 18th January 2013   #3912
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you lot are all liars

http://lancearmstrong.com/bio

"
Lance's Story

If scripted by Hollywood, the story would be dismissed as trite melodrama: A deadly disease strikes a promising athlete. Despite desperately thin odds, he manages not only to beat the affliction but also to return to the sport and win its top prize, not once but a record seven times. Unbelievable, except it's true.
But the story doesn't end on the finish line at the Tour de France. His experience made him a part of a cancer community, and motivated him to unleash the same passion and drive he does in bike races to the fight against cancer.
Since he made history in 1999, he has won the tour six more times, and has become one of the most recognizable and admired people of this era.
"
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Old 18th January 2013   #3914
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Old 18th January 2013   #3915
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To be fair, he did come back from cancer and do something most well people couldn't do (ride the tour), let alone someone recovering from cancer, so he can still be a source of inspiration.
Well, of course it is wonderful that Armstrong was cured of cancer, but it's always worth pointing out again that that's nothing unusual for his type of cancer:

Testicular_cancer


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Testicular cancer has one of the highest cure rates of all cancers: in excess of 90 percent overall; almost 100 percent if it has not spread (metastasized). Even for the relatively few cases in which malignant cancer has spread widely, modern chemotherapy offers a cure rate of at least 80%.
Now, I realise that Armstrong's cancer had metastasised widely, but you'll note that his chances of survival were still pretty good.

To me, the biggest fraud in the whole thing has always been the equivocation of testicular cancer with all other kinds of cancer that Armstrong used implicitly to bolster his myth. There's so much woolly thinking, if not outright deception, in there, that it's essentially worthless nonsense.
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Old 18th January 2013   #3916
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errr... is there a highlights video?
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Old 18th January 2013   #3917
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There are no highlights. It is evasive, half-arsed crap all the way through. The world would be better off without him.
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Old 18th January 2013   #3918
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So you wouldn't suck him off then?
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Old 18th January 2013   #3919
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Just wasted 3 minutes of my life watching the first bit. The same delusional rubbish that he's been spouting for years, but with a different angle.

His body language has 'I'm lying' all over it.

Still, Giro hats are now on sale....
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Old 18th January 2013   #3920
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Ha!
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Old 18th January 2013   #3921
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Just wasted 3 minutes of my life watching the first bit. The same delusional rubbish that he's been spouting for years, but with a different angle.

His body language has 'I'm lying' all over it.

Still, Giro hats are now on sale....
'I'm lying and I not only do I feel no remorse I'm also not sure why anything I have done is wrong but i'll play along with all this as its the only option I seem to have left.'
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Old 18th January 2013   #3922
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A woman at work, who has no interest in cycling whatsoever, told me how Armstrong was the main inspiration for her husband when he fought cancer – and lost. When he was ill to sit up in bed reading he would listen to Armstrong's audio book and had tears in his eyes. He would say things like: "If Armstrong can win Tour the France after having cancer, the surely I can manage to survive this". He didn't but his widow always held Amstrong in high esteem after that. Whenver she saw one of those yellow rubber bands she thought of her late husband's final weeks.

Except now. She just hates the lying cunt - not so much cheating in sport, but for messing with the minds of millions of cancer patients.
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Old 18th January 2013   #3923
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To be fair, he did come back from cancer and do something most well people couldn't do (ride the tour), let alone someone recovering from cancer, so he can still be a source of inspiration.

It's just on top of that he's a lying, cheating, cunt.
There's still a question to be asked if there's a direct link between his ingestion of testerone and steriods [and fuck knows what else] and the testicular cancer
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Old 18th January 2013   #3924
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Warning these anti cancer drugs may have side effects: nausea, giddyness, memory loss, extreme physical endurance, megalomania, malliot jeune
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Old 18th January 2013   #3925
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the most hurtful thing in this whole affair is the realisation that one of my cycling gods, AndyP, has been lieing to us, can we believe anything he has ever said?
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I still believe andyp hasn't lied. I believe after all that has happened, lfgss is making him tell a lie just to set them free and give everybody what they want. Its easy for the world to be jealous of a man that has accomplished blah blah blah.
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No.

He's a fraud.
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just realised I may well be complicit in Andyp's huge fraud, and his "so-called" top 10 placings in local events.....I'm keeping my mouth shut!
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I stand by andyp
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I'll stand by andyp but if big "Buffalo" Bill Hincapie also confesses to lieing all bets are off.
Look, I'm all for standing behind, beside and by andyp because he is our hero but the simple logic is this. I race clean therefore anyone who beats me in a race must be cheating and should be banned.

(caveat: I consider good diet, training and never being referred to as portly as cheating).
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Old 18th January 2013   #3926
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There's still a question to be asked if there's a direct link between his ingestion of testerone and steriods [and fuck knows what else] and the testicular cancer
That's probably unreasonable speculation, even from an oncologist.

What might be more reasonable speculation is that the masking agents masked the early detection of the cancer.

Again, speculating unreasonably, late detection _may_ have contributed to its aggressive spread.
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Old 18th January 2013   #3927
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Is medical speculation unreasonable? There seems to be very little concrete evidence that categorically establishes a link between steroid/hormone abuse and testicular cancer in humans but that does not exclude speculation

I was playing devils advocate to a degree - as Lance used the "with my medical history, I wouldn't take PED's" as a line of defence and denial, then that same rationale could be directed back at him
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Old 18th January 2013   #3928
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That's probably unreasonable speculation, even from an oncologist.

What might be more reasonable speculation is that the masking agents masked the early detection of the cancer.

Again, speculating unreasonably, late detection _may_ have contributed to its aggressive spread.
*Clicks bookmarks folder*

US cycling doping program didn't work out so good for the other riders who came through with Armstrong either.

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Ernie Lachuga (testicular cancer) Ernie was one of Americas top under 23 riders and a member of the same U23 team that included Lance Armstrong,until late in 1998 he too was diagnosed with testicular cancer.

David Francis (healthy) member of the US U-23 cycling team. Whilst remaining healthy he submitted testimony at the lawsuits of Stock and Kaiter that Wenzel (René Wenzel - former coach of USA Cycling's national junior team), submitted them to "doses of vitamins and 'extract of cortisone.

Greg Stock (auto immune problems)

Erich Kaiter (chrohns disease)

Strock says the doping began in France, when he was racing poorly because of a bad cold. His condition improved rapidly after the U. S. team coach gave him pills that were supposedly vitamins and an injection which he says the coach calledextract of cortisone.But there's no such thing as an extract of cortisone. Cortisone is a cortico-steroid, banned in the kind of injections that Strock describes. In large doses, cortisone depresses the immune system, and Strock says those injections became routine.Strock thought he was alone until he filed his lawsuit eight months ago and gota call from someone he hadn't seen in 10 years - Erich Kaiter, his teammate at U.S.A. Cycling."We were given the same injections at the same times, and we raced together pretty much at every race during that year," Kaiter said. "And I became very ilwitha lot of the same symptoms that I now know Greg suffered."They don't know what was in those syringes, and they don't recall taking a drugtest in those days. But they say the injections were given by the U.S.A. Cyclingstaff, including coach Rene Wenzel, trainer Angus Fraser and, according to documents, coach Chris Carmichael.
*edit* Also

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After Armstrong's cancer diagnosis, former teammates say, even Ferrari questioned his methods. "I remember when we were on a training ride in 2002, Lance told me that Ferrari had been paranoid that he had helped cause the cancer and became more conservative after that," says Landis. (Ferrari, again, declined to talk to SI for this story.)

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Old 18th January 2013   #3929
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Good write up on inner ring

http://inrng.com/2013/01/questions-after-oprah/

Including speculation to why he says he didn't dope in his comeback.
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Old 18th January 2013   #3930
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I really want Oprah to ask why he's actually 'coming clean' now and how we can actually believe him. Just to watch him confirm to anyone who hadn't worked it out that he's still a lying prick.
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Old 18th January 2013   #3931
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2 birds, one stone
are you dating Anorexic twins?
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Old 18th January 2013   #3932
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I hope in part 2 Oprah shits on his chest then kicks him in his ball.
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Old 18th January 2013   #3933
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was just listening to this.

http://youtu.be/vL0TtQkOXMw

seems quite an apt description of Lance's relationship with pro cycling.
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Old 18th January 2013   #3934
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was just listening to this.


seems quite an apt description of Lance's relationship with pro cycling.
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Old 18th January 2013   #3935
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Lance had testicular cancer, but so did the Legend of Landon Town. Jimmy "the whirlwind" White. I say biathlon US Pool then Snooker @ crucible, if Armstrong loses he goes to Prison. Battle of one bollock! PPV
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Old 18th January 2013   #3936
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Look, I'm all for standing behind, beside and by andyp because he is our hero but the simple logic is this. I race clean therefore anyone who beats me in a race must be cheating and should be banned.

(caveat: I consider good diet, training and never being referred to as portly as cheating).
This is the reason I didn't win a single race last year... Although with the addition of the caveat I am also a cheat.

And for this, I am truly sorry..
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Old 18th January 2013   #3937
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No longer will standing behind, beside or by andyp confer automatic performance-enhancing advantages. The myth has been well and truly shattered. :)
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Old 18th January 2013   #3938
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This made me chuckle.

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Old 18th January 2013   #3939
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Matt Seaton tweets that Shane Suttons step down

"Classy of @TeamSky to bury news of Shane Sutton stepping down as head coach under Lance #doprah headlines. But unwittingly ironic too"
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Old 18th January 2013   #3940
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A couple of observations

1. He actually seems quite proud of the professionalism of his doping. Kind of like 'look how smart I was to get away with it'.

2. The only type of person who could be a serial winner in that era was a heartless arsehole. Cycling got the champion it deserved.

3. Having said that, I think he is a one in twenty heartless arsehole, rather a one in a million heartless arsehole.
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Old 18th January 2013   #3941
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Matt Seaton tweets that Shane Suttons step down

"Classy of @TeamSky to bury news of Shane Sutton stepping down as head coach under Lance #doprah headlines. But unwittingly ironic too"
^That's crap it was announced over Xmas/NY; Velonews published a report on it and it's only cos the Telegraph finally caught up that they made a fuss.
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Old 18th January 2013   #3942
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Well, in a way, I can see how he could be proud of it- "most tested athlete in the world, YET YOU NEVER CAUGHT ME"
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Old 18th January 2013   #3943
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Well, in a way, I can see how he could be proud of it- "one lie, YET ANOTHER LIE"
ftfy
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Old 18th January 2013   #3944
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Can someone wake me when this has all blown over and everyone is in jail or on TV doing tearful interviews.
(from 2010)

Yaaawwwn, Is it time yet?
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Old 18th January 2013   #3945
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Not yet, even the most optimistic of us know it will be at least a year or two before he actually goes to gaol.
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Old 18th January 2013   #3946
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Well, in a way, I can see how he could be proud of it- "most tested athlete in the world, YET YOU NEVER CAUGHT ME"
he was caught Tour de Suisse 2001, backdated prescription. It does help to avoid being caught when you are in bed with the UCI, Hamilton describes in his book tip offs. Armstrong also went to Lausanne to see how the test for EPO worked. Also taught "glowtime" by Ferrari. I believe it will come out Verbuggen UCI cover up, corruption. This race aint run yet..
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Old 18th January 2013   #3947
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Pah, details
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Old 18th January 2013   #3948
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This made me chuckle.

Hah. This tickled me too
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Old 18th January 2013   #3949
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Come on guys, aren't you being a little too hard on the man? At least he's finally coming clean, and I for one think we should respect him for that.
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Old 18th January 2013   #3950
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We aren't, he isn't, we shouldn't, and so on and so forth.
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