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Old 25th May 2011   #1151
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I'd like to see Lance sanctioned / punished legally and by the sporting bodies, if indeed he is guilty of the accusations.

The worst possible scenario would be that after the inquiry he is widely viewed as having doped, trafficked and defrauded but no action is taken, what kind of message would that give? The trouble is although all these leaks are exciting we are already heading towards that without having any knowledge whatsoever of which way the investigation is swinging.

As Americans might say "whatever it takes to get what you want" (for Horatio)
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Old 25th May 2011   #1152
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Apparently Lance's lawyers wanted to enter into a "joint defence agreement" with Tyler

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/arms...-with-hamilton

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Old 25th May 2011   #1153
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he'll go to his grave a lier
lol
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Old 27th May 2011   #1154
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Martial Saugy, the current director of the renowned Swiss Anti-Doping laboratory in Lausanne, has confirmed that four of the urine samples taken at the 2001 Tour de Suisse were labeled "suspect" and that he later met with former US Postal sports director Johan Bruyneel and Lance Armstrong to discuss details of the early EPO test method.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/swis...ame=0&ns_fee=0
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Old 27th May 2011   #1155
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Armstrong's attorney Tim Herman, however, recently said in a statement that "neither Armstrong or Bruyneel have any recollection of meeting [Saugy] for any purpose at any time," and "Armstrong was never informed by anyone in 2001 or any other time about either a positive or 'suspicious' test".
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Old 27th May 2011   #1157
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Armstrong concluded the press conference by challenging his accusers, saying he would retake any of his previously defeated doping tests “anytime, anywhere.”
:)
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Old 27th May 2011   #1158
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He has also recruited two lawyers who previously got some MLB baseball players off doping charges brought by Novitsky.

Because that's what you do when the charges have no credibility and you are innocent.
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Old 27th May 2011   #1159
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These are strong accusations Armstrong is facing. Hamilton's 60 Minutes programme did seem a bit edited though. Here a link to a recent blog on the Armstrong case.
http://thecyclinghub.blogspot.com/
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Old 27th May 2011   #1160
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Armstrong's attorney Tim Herman, however, recently said in a statement that "neither Armstrong or Bruyneel have any recollection of meeting [Saugy] for any purpose at any time,"
That'll be the drugs...
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Old 27th May 2011   #1161
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Just a typical lawyer's non-denial denial. He can't come out and claim the meeting never took place, because somebody will prove that it did, but he can try to create a public impression that it didn't by making the non-disprovable claim that his client has no recollection of it. The lawyer isn't lying because he is only reporting his client's claim, and nobody can prove that Lance is lying about his recollection without reading his mind. I'm sure he'll suddenly fabricate recollect crucial details of what was actually said at the meeting once somebody proves that he was definitely in attendance.
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Old 28th May 2011   #1162
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These are strong accusations Armstrong is facing. Hamilton's 60 Minutes programme did seem a bit edited though. Here a link to a recent blog on the Armstrong case.
http://thecyclinghub.blogspot.com/
That article is so bad, and so plain wrong, in so many ways it's hard to know where to start. But this nonsense

the first attempted attack coming from French sports newspaper L’Equipe, who during 2005 reported an Armstrong urine sample from 1999 to have tested positive for the blood booster EPO. The validity of the rumour was never clear as the UCI stated that they had had no evidence of doping by Armstrong.


would be a good place.
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Old 28th May 2011   #1163
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I suppose it depends on which side of the fence you sit on wiganwill. Although I am a bit of a Lance fan myself I still think he could have done it. I just hate the fact that people are so quick to put it all on Armstrong and other US postal team members when they come out and say "yeah I did drugs". By the way, the 1999 sample was never even proved to have existed by L'Equipe. But your entited to your own opinion on this article anyway.
[COLOR=#062971]http://thecyclinghub.blogspot.com/[/COLOR]
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Old 28th May 2011   #1164
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I am not sure what you mean by L'Equipe never having proved the sample existed. It did exist. The samples - there was more than one - did exist and they were proved to be Armstrongs. No one disputes that, including Armstrong. The only question is whether or not the test results were valid. As Michael Ashenden has pointed out, Armstrongs only defence is that the French lab somehow spiked them. No one has been able to explain how that would be possible.

"The only other possibility than Armstrong injecting EPO was that the French lab deliberately spiked the samples. No one has ever given any plausible account for how that might have been accomplished. Spiking or injecting. They’re the only two possibilities. So essentially Mr Verbruggen is inferring that the Paris lab did precisely what the UCI denies is impossible for the Lausanne lab to have done – tamper with a test outcome.”

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ashe...ng-allegations

It's not really about opinion when it comes to the 1999 samples, it is about science. Notably, in this case where it was not just his word against someone else's, Armstrong did not sue.
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Old 29th May 2011   #1165
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I suppose it depends on which side of the fence you sit on wiganwill. Although I am a bit of a Lance fan myself I still think he could have done it. I just hate the fact that people are so quick to put it all on Armstrong and other US postal team members when they come out and say "yeah I did drugs". By the way, the 1999 sample was never even proved to have existed by L'Equipe. But your entited to your own opinion on this article anyway.
[COLOR=#062971]http://thecyclinghub.blogspot.com/[/COLOR]
Why did Armstrong allow Damien Resiot, the l'Equipe journalist, to have access to his test results if these samples never existed?
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Old 29th May 2011   #1166
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A quick catch-up from The Onion, for people who haven't followed the story from the beginning

http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/ar...gations,20620/
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Old 3rd June 2011   #1167
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The lawyer isn't lying because he is only reporting his client's claim, and nobody can prove that Lance is lying about his recollection without reading his mind.
andyp can, though. And wiganwill can read andyp's mind. :)
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Old 3rd June 2011   #1168
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The samples - there was more than one - did exist and they were proved to be Armstrongs.
Urgh, sample Armstrongs. Do not want. :)
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Old 3rd June 2011   #1169
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You have to love The Onion sometimes:

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1992: Though Armstrong finishes his first Olympic race in 14th place, judges are skeptical as to how he was able to do it after pedaling just once
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Old 3rd June 2011   #1170
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This is an interesting read;

http://fraudbytes.blogspot.com/2011/...-odds-and.html
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Old 4th June 2011   #1171
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Not exactly apples with apples, le car. But a great choice of skaters. (I'd add Tony T for his pool/concrete skills)

Hawk, Reynolds, Sheckler - who's the Armstrong of skating? (It'd be Danny Way but for the fact he doesn't act like he invented the sport).

I am a fan of Lance Mountain... i met all the Bones Brigade when they toured the UK in the late 80's.. i saw them ride Latimer road, Stevenage and South Sea.
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Old 5th June 2011   #1173
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Yeah, the video is 3 years old, so probably wouldn't have been posted before on one of the biggest fixed gear forums.
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Old 5th June 2011   #1174
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What is 'fixed gear'? Some kind of meme, right?
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Old 5th June 2011   #1175
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No, Fixed gear is stuffthat used to be broken but is now fixed.
Sometimes tinker fairies are involved, sometimes you have to pay.

A tinker fairy
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Old 5th June 2011   #1176
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Fixie pixies?
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Old 5th June 2011   #1177
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Yes.
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Old 5th June 2011   #1178
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look I just found the vid on youtube maybe you have seen it but there are a lot of new members here who may have not .
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Old 5th June 2011   #1179
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look I just found the vid on youtube maybe you have seen it but there are a lot of new members here who may have not .

welsh forum >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Old 5th June 2011   #1180
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welsh forum >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
^^^^^^ I am not aware of a welsh forum could you post a link please xx
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Old 5th June 2011   #1181
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start one up, ask velocio

you can then endlessly discuss that hideous welsh hipster music video too

there is an image of a squirrel stuck in a carbon fork that has never been seen before

it could be the "welsh and backwards provincial" subsection
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Old 5th June 2011   #1182
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Wow, why do you have to be so nasty?
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Old 5th June 2011   #1183
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start one up, ask velocio

you can then endlessly discuss that hideous welsh hipster music video too

there is an image of a squirrel stuck in a carbon fork that has never been seen before

it could be the "welsh and backwards provincial" subsection
fuck off you frustrated little man !!! there is a life outside the M25
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Old 5th June 2011   #1184
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Wow, why do you have to be so nasty?
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fuck off you frustrated little man !!! there is a life outside the M25
I am considered Welsh for sporting purposes. I had to compete in the Welsh National Championships to be in contention to represent Wales in the Commonwealth Games. My visits to Cardiff city center have been truly depressing experiences. So as Welsh person I believe should have some latitude to make self deprecating remarks about my compatriots.

We do not need endless reposts of dull things like Lance riding with MASH, the squirrel photo, Danny Macaskill or similar. But if my fellow countrymen living in a bubble wish to discuss it, could they please create a new subforum for the purpose.

Wales does have some good things - black beef etc.
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Old 5th June 2011   #1185
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fuck off you frustrated little man !!! there is a life outside the M25
yes there is, pond life.
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Old 5th June 2011   #1186
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Wait, what? Where's DJ gone? Not one expletive.

I am disappoint.

cunty cunt cunt
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Old 5th June 2011   #1187
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We do not need endless reposts of dull things like Lance riding with MASH, the squirrel photo, Danny Macaskill or similar. But if my fellow countrymen living in a bubble wish to discuss it, could they please create a new subforum for the purpose.

Wales does have some good things - black beef etc.
OK what squirrel photo ? nothing to do with me !! Danny Macaskill ? excellent trials rider I would like to ad I have never posted about him on this forum . I found an old video of lance armstrong riding with mash and posted it is that such a crime ? I appologised in advance if it was a repost there are some new members here who are not as experienced a cyclist as you be it fixed or geared and when we see video's like that we make the cardinal sin of posting them on a cycling forum !!! I have learn't my lesson and I shall not do it again . I must dash I have to go and get the sheep in off the mountain . ;) ps sorry about the smiley that can be tomorrow's lesson
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Old 5th June 2011   #1188
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Don't let him get to you WW. It's just internet banter.
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Old 7th June 2011   #1189
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www.facts4lance.com has been taken down so either he's plea bargaining (unlikely) or the intern running his PR campaign has been rumbled and let go.
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Old 7th June 2011   #1190
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"Lance Armstrong" is a business, within which there are many stakeholders, right now (OK they may well be asleep) those stakeholders will be discussing the best course of action, potential future scenarios, possible other leaks, and the likely outcome of the inquiry and any subsequent criminal trial. Damage limitation and cash flow forecasts will be drawn up for all the potential outcomes as well as second-guessing what public reaction will be to them. Numerous strategies will be discussed, one of these WILL be an admission from Lance, if it is deemed that, well managed, it will mean less dollars lost.....sorry I meant the great work of livestrong will be able to continue...then there is chance that they will take this course.

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Old 7th June 2011   #1191
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It's never been proven that he didn't cure cancer.
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Old 7th June 2011   #1192
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But he's definitely the most chemo'd patient in history.
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Old 7th June 2011   #1193
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www.facts4lance.com has been taken down so either he's plea bargaining (unlikely) or the intern running his PR campaign has been rumbled and let go.
It's been dropped as it ran out of meds. Currently getting in the sag wagon.
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Old 7th June 2011   #1194
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Rumour has it (started by me) was that is a school project by Luke Armstrong.
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Old 7th June 2011   #1195
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start... subsection
James, why is it always you, still? You are having a go at someone for reposting in a thread to which you have contributed precisely fuck all up to now so why does it bother you? Just looking for any opportunity to lord it over someone. Just stop it will you?
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Old 7th June 2011   #1196
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Innit.

Don't be a cunt Jimmy
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Old 7th June 2011   #1197
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^Fantastic B-Side by the Shangri-Las.
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Old 7th June 2011   #1198
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Fuck off Will, you frustrated little man !!!

:-)

I was not the only one commenting on the repost.
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Old 7th June 2011   #1199
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Why argue the toss, James? You've barely got a leg to stand on.
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