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Old 20th July 2012   #3451
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^^^ That would make Evans the gollum, Schleck the elf, Voekler... another elf, I suppose Sagan would have to be the wizard, Cav the dwarf and Froome the guy who is a bit of a judas and then gets offed.
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Old 20th July 2012   #3452
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If Mrs Froome's twitterings are distracting from your enjoyment of the tour simply choose not to follow her. And maybe don't post them here.

It's not as if they have anything to do with the reality of the racing.
+1
Not a twatter user myself but from what I know, one is not forced to follow peoples inane comments are they?
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Old 20th July 2012   #3453
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Is Froome confirmed for the Vuelta? Might keep my eurosportplayer subscription alive a bit longer..
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Old 20th July 2012   #3454
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Hang on, hang on. Just a couple of pages ago, you (GL) were bigging up the slow creeping death of the sky train.
I don't deny that, I admired the grinding dominance that allowed them to take seconds then minutes from their rivals, but there was an open opportunity there to take a stage and it went from a slow, smothering of GC rivals to Wiggins holding back a rider who could have taken a classy victory (from a cheating fucker, to boot!)

Don't get me wrong, there was a lot of pantomime from Froome there, accelerating a little before dawdling and wafting a beckoning hand to Wiggins - it was all for the camera, riding one handed to show of his strength and superiority, and let everyone know it was only Wiggins holding him back from victory.

The cracks have appeared in the united front that Sky has used to obliterate this Tour, and now it is easier to scrutinize individual performances, weigh up loylaties and measure who really is the best rider on the team.

I still think Froome will move next year and he will be a pale shadow of the rider he has been, and perhaps deep down he knows that, and that his why he wants to make hay while the sun shine with as many stages as possible.
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Old 20th July 2012   #3455
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Rather than listen to the bitchy comments of his gf, here is what Froome had to say:-
http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/...wiggins_230701
He didn't sound quite so convincing when he was interviewed warming down after the race.

But then again, he's human (mostly) and was probably a little tired & emotional.
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Old 20th July 2012   #3456
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@ Yemble

Contador will be riding.

Which evokes mixed feelings (to say the least).
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Old 20th July 2012   #3457
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Contador is going to have to find a new trainer, given his has just been given a lifetime ban from the sport.
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Old 20th July 2012   #3458
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I just hope everyone isn't talking it up and Wiggins hurts himself today.
So are you just hoping that Wiggins hurts himself today and that we are not just talking things up?
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Old 20th July 2012   #3459
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Really?
Does any one have first hand knowledge, or is this all opinion and conjecture?
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Old 20th July 2012   #3460
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I'm beginning to understand why some of you longer term followers of the sport (andyp) are such jaded fuckers...

Even if Contador wins with an amazing ride I can't get behind it.
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Old 20th July 2012   #3461
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History is still quite unkind about Indurain's victories. He smashed nearly all the TTs he took part in, and in a classy way too, but they are damning about his time in the mountains.
You're right not to say they are right; only a history that knows nothing about history would not have remembered how brilliant Indurain was in the mountains, how many stage victories he gifted in the mountains (two in a row to Rominger, one year) and how he never lost any time in the mountains to anyone who could win over all - until Mr 60% came along.
The way Sky go about training and analysis they must know exactly how strong - or weak - Froome is. But like RPM said, this year it is for Wiggins, the Olympic champion, the Londoner, not the male Zola Budd who's accent makes it a bit hard to sell him as a great British champion.
I think people are underestimating Frroome; if he'd been in Liquigas, BMC, RadioShack or even Astana this year I think there would be seconds in it between him and Wiggins. And not necessarily in Wiggins' favour.
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Old 20th July 2012   #3462
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Really?
Does any one have first hand knowledge, or is this all opinion and conjecture?
It's all waffle, but I kind of like that about this sport! None of us are experts, we're fans! That's why we spout off like this with no real expert knowledge. Perhaps this Tour will be one of the most talked about in the modern era because of the way it was ridden, because of the relationships between the GC contendors.

COME ON TIM!!!
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Old 20th July 2012   #3463
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I still think Froome will move next year and he will be a pale shadow of the rider he has been, and perhaps deep down he knows that, and that his why he wants to make hay while the sun shine with as many stages as possible.
How do contracts in cycling work: he's signed a four year one apparently. If he wants to move to another team does he/they have to buy him out of it? Or will he have a get out clause? Or is it simply a question of resigning?
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Old 20th July 2012   #3464
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There's more chance of Frank Schleck moving to Sky next year than there is of Froome leaving.
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Old 20th July 2012   #3465
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You're right not to say they are right; only a history that knows nothing about history would not have remembered how brilliant Indurain was in the mountains, how many stage victories he gifted in the mountains (two in a row to Rominger, one year) and how he never lost any time in the mountains to anyone who could win over all - until Mr 60% came along.
Personally I thought Indurain rode with grace and style in the mountains, especially for a big lad. His gifting of wins is very much part of the Spanish culture of stage racing and I love it, but the historians don't appreciate it, which is a crying shame.

That's why I'm worried that Wiggins' win won't be seen for what it is - a titanic team effort to place one man on the podium, riding against the whole peloton and riding clean, and in the process taking 1st AND 2nd. A stupendous feat, and the story has been riveting.

Last edited by General Lucifer; 20th July 2012 at 09:59. Reason: My shpelling woz fownd wonting
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Old 20th July 2012   #3466
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There's more chance of Frank Schleck moving to Sky next year than there is of Froome leaving.
A very fat cheque can turn any head. I reckon he'll have bought out of Sky by Christmas.
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Old 20th July 2012   #3467
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I am already salivating over next years tour. Whether Froome is still at Sky or not, there will b a degree more freedom for him to stamp his hold on the stages and ultimately the jersey. It could be legendary in terms of competition in the early stages while they fight for ultimate team support in the latter.
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Old 20th July 2012   #3468
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There's more chance of Frank Schleck moving to Sky next year than there is of Froome leaving.
Surely they don't let Yates drive the deathstar. Perhaps Frank could do that?
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Old 20th July 2012   #3469
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http://inrng.com/2012/07/romanticism-prudhomme-tour/

The inner ring has this excellent piece about this year's route. I can't say I have found this year's race especially exciting - has there been a period of even five minutes, or even two minutes, when Wiggins has looked like losing the yellow jersey? His main rival is on his own team and other rivals crashed out or didn't start. The mountains competition has been enjoyable though and has a decent winner for the first time in donkey's years.
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Old 20th July 2012   #3470
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Did anybody see Yates in his post-stage interview saying that they didn't give Froome the OK to go for the win because, not having TV pictures in the car, they didn't know the situation?

Funny to see this in the gallery today:


An earlier caption stating: "The car has TV pictures beamed in - here's Edvald Boasson Hagen setting the pace on the front again"
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Old 20th July 2012   #3471
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How do contracts in cycling work: he's signed a four year one apparently. If he wants to move to another team does he/they have to buy him out of it? Or will he have a get out clause? Or is it simply a question of resigning?
It is very rare for anyone to break a contract, the only example I can think of is when Sky bought Wiggins out of his Garmin contract and Slipstream, the management company behind Garmin, were compensated generously.

The only way I could see Froome leaving is if one of the teams backed by a wealthy benefactor, so essentially BMC or Quick Step now following Team Leopard's documented problems, desperately wanted him. BMC would seem to have a Tour GC replacement for Evans already signed up in Van Garderen, which leaves Quick Step, who do not have a good track record of signing GC riders.
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Old 20th July 2012   #3472
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There's more chance of Frank Schleck moving to Sky next year than there is of Froome leaving.
I agree: there is a long term plan here. I've said already I feel this should be Wiggo's one and only Tour win, and that long term Froome will be the number one and has the capapcity to be a multiple GT winner. I can see Bradley having a tilt at the Giro next year though, then riding in support of Froome in next year's Tour
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Old 20th July 2012   #3473
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... which leaves Quick Step, who do not have a good track record of signing GC riders.
That's my fear. Spooge a wad on Froomey, watch him wither on the vine. They've done it with GC hopefuls in the past!
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Old 20th July 2012   #3474
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And I'm sure all those talking about this "boring" tour wouldn't think it was boring if they were British and had spent the last 30 years watching it as some kind of strange foreign thing where maybe there'd be some plucky Brit finishing 2nd to last.
1987 and the ANC Halfords tour was my first experience of watching, and even 10 years ago I would have bet a lot of money I would never see a British winner. It just seemed so impossible, it just would never, ever happen.

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The bigger picture illustrated

ITV 1 is showing the Paris finishing stage live 2-5pm
I might even cry a little bit on Sunday.
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Old 20th July 2012   #3475
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Reckon SKY will make Froome-dog drop back a bit today to ensure he can't accidently win the Tour, should Wiggo have a mechnical or worse in the TT tomorrow?
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Old 20th July 2012   #3476
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Skelator will stay at Sky-the course this year and the field have flattered to an extent and helped tee up a Wiggo/Froome victory and both of them should be fully aware of it. I'm not trying to dimnish their achievement, and before the Tour this was being said as a positive for Sky so don't see why it shouldn't be mentioned now.

More mountains and less TT's and next year it will be hard to imagine either of them winning, and the way their Mrs are mouthing off I think the internal politics will have changed significantly...
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Old 20th July 2012   #3477
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The only way I could see Froome leaving is if one of the teams backed by a wealthy benefactor, so essentially BMC or Quick Step now following Team Leopard's documented problems, desperately wanted him. BMC would seem to have a Tour GC replacement for Evans already signed up in Van Garderen, which leaves Quick Step, who do not have a good track record of signing GC riders.
What about Tinkov? Hasn't he just gone on record saying his plan is to buy a superstar team with interest in Cavendish and Cancellara? That's his sprinter and TT/Classic stars sorted...just a GC rider to find.
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Old 20th July 2012   #3478
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I'm hoping young Pinot come through to win for France in 2013 - I love that we've almost got a Tour in the bag, but imagine how beserk France will go with a real GC contender?
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Old 20th July 2012   #3479
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While Froome might have wanted the win, it looked to me like he also didn't want to leave Brad and wanted him to ride with him, but Brad didn't have the legs.
Brilliant. This is the same as the commuter racing theory that you are faster than someone else because you overtake them riding home from work.

Brad even said himself afterwards that he wanted to finish at his own pace, why should he dig deeper into his reserves when he's already in yellow with no more to gain than what he just had?
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Old 20th July 2012   #3480
T-V
This is probably crazy, but I would love to see Wiggins in the Sky classics team next Spring.
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Old 20th July 2012   #3481
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It's all waffle, but I kind of like that about this sport! None of us are experts, we're fans! That's why we spout off like this with no real expert knowledge.
Speak for yourself. I'm not going to purport to be an expert, as nobody really is, even SS and DB would never say they knew it all, but my work does enable me to see a little more than perhaps the average cyclist sitting in front of his TV and hanging on the words of The Phil n' Paul Family Band.
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Old 20th July 2012   #3482
T-V
Funny that you come out with such inane drivel most of the time on this forum ;)
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Old 20th July 2012   #3483
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18899902

Why would Wiggo give a fuck about what the French think about him? And what's wrong with a clinical, boring victory in sport? Who cares how you do it, as long as you WIN.
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Old 20th July 2012   #3484
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Funny that you come out with such inane drivel most of the time on this forum ;)
Am I not allowed to troll?
You fixie hipsters need to be kept on your toes
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Old 20th July 2012   #3485
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Who cares how you do it, as long as you WIN.
Reminded me of..
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Old 20th July 2012   #3486
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RPM repo̶r̶t̶e̶d̶ped for trolling
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Old 20th July 2012   #3487
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Speak for yourself. I'm not going to purport to be an expert, as nobody really is, even SS and DB would never say they knew it all, but my work does enable me to see a little more than perhaps the average cyclist sitting in front of his TV and hanging on the words of The Phil n' Paul Family Band.
You watch Eurosport and ITV4 at the same time?


#pro
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Old 20th July 2012   #3488
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You watch Eurosport and ITV4 at the same time?


#pro
I don't have a television, all my info comes from wags on twitter
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Old 20th July 2012   #3489
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Reminded me of..(pic of Count Drac)
Cheating cockbiscuit he might have been but Veino was never boring....
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Old 20th July 2012   #3490
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C.R.A.S.H.





please don't
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Old 20th July 2012   #3491
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I blame the Aussies. Fat bastards sitting there with there Castlemaine XXXX all day in the heat waiting for their bum-faced leader to skulk by. Can't handle their drink and revert to their criminalistic ways.

Next year will all be regency themed campers, earl-grey and fine porcelain with polite applause and perhaps a dignified snifter of sherry raised in their honour as they pass by.


What ho.
Next year will see hordes of Stella swilling, knotted handkerchief wearing, tatoo'd, lobster red cunts who have just realised that the new national sport has no away and home ends and a whole heap of soft foreigners ready for a good pulverising.
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Old 20th July 2012   #3492
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Brilliant. This is the same as the commuter racing theory that you are faster than someone else because you overtake them riding home from work.

Brad even said himself afterwards that he wanted to finish at his own pace, why should he dig deeper into his reserves when he's already in yellow with no more to gain than what he just had?
Hardly, they were on top of a Pyranean Mountain. Froome was gesticulating at Brad to come with him, and Brad didn't go with him. Not a stupid supposition to judge that Brad couldn't keep to the pace of Froome, given the two of them had just shed all the best climbers in the Tour inc Nibbles.

Commuter? Really? Va ta couche
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Old 20th July 2012   #3493
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EBH in the break! Is this the first time a Sky rider has been in a break?
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Old 20th July 2012   #3494
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Next year will see hordes of Stella swilling, knotted handkerchief wearing, tatoo'd, lobster red cunts who have just realised that the new national sport has no away and home ends and a whole heap of soft foreigners ready for a good pulverising.
That's the spirit. Bad booze and xenophobia, sun stroke and bombastic bigotry-the British legions are coming!

How long till Alpe d'Huez starts resembling some shithole on the Costa del Sol? Brailsford et al. will be racked by guilt and wishing they'd never set eyes on a bike... a pyrrhic victory indeed.
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Old 20th July 2012   #3495
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EBH in the break! Is this the first time a Sky rider has been in a break?
Heard he's signed for Europcar on a 5 year contract for next season. His Mrs has confirmed on Twitter.

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Eddy's off-fucking sick to death of Twiggo and Womb's bullshit and wants to ride for a team with some real jimmies. And Cav's farts smell bad enough without having to watch him sucking them up like they are honey nectar...
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Old 20th July 2012   #3496
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EBH in the break! Is this the first time a Sky rider has been in a break?
He's been after a stage all tour but after Sitsuio...Siutsou...Twittwo.. that Kosta bloke broke his leg he's been shackled to the Creeping Death
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Old 20th July 2012   #3497
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I think the brits who go out to support british cyclist on the continent will be viewed as the scottish or irish are when they go out for the rugby/football, a rambunctious, but good natured drunken rabble.

Got to say also this constant drip drip of dismay, disgust, cynicism, at what Sky have accomplished feels like super accelerated tall poppy syndrome, before the tour there was this fear that bradley wouldn't live upto expectation, even though the course suited him, and Sky had been smashing all and sundry in the shorter stage races. And now before he's even won the thing, we're pissing on his chips, and saying the achievement isn't as great as it "could" be.

Sky have no contract with the public to put on a spectacle, or provide drama, their aim is to win the tour. End of story. Win ugly, or lose dramatically, just so the audience, the fans can say what a smashing tour it was. It will be a historic tour, just like it was last year, Wiggins first briton to win it, two britons (plastic or not) in the top two positions, and a professional team that looks like it could win more grand tours in the coming years, and be a launchpad for a whole generation of good/great british riders to compete in professional road racing.

How is that boring?

I'm so fucking happy that this is happening whilst I'm of an age to enjoy it, and to see what may happen in the future...
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Old 20th July 2012   #3498
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Blimey Corny, I agree with some of what you're saying.

*checks temperature*
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Old 20th July 2012   #3499
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*self medicates*
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Old 20th July 2012   #3500
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Why are ITV4 not showing the Tour live today? I don't have Eurosport on the TV on my desk. Instead of live coverage from 11am, there was the highlights from yesterday, and now a programme about Wiggo. The live coverage doesn't start until 1pm. Rubbish.
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