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Old 20th February 2014   #89101
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yes, the pro 2. if axle diameter is the same front and rear, you should be able to fit a rear conversion kit to 10mm bolt on. no qr.
edit: a rear non drive side spacer is 17.5mm longer than the front right side. If it fit and if the other side is 2.5mm longer, you have 120mm spaced hub with I think 43.5mm chain line... :-/

Last edited by drøn; 20th February 2014 at 15:02.
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Old 20th February 2014   #89102
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Both, as I said I've have 3 wheels set that use ISO and I've found it better in every regard. I will admit the only place it falls short is if you need to run a cog 15t or smaller for the track, but I don't so their perfect for me.
Ok, makes sense. Would have suggested some of the splined cog+lockring solutions otherwise.
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Old 20th February 2014   #89103
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yes, the pro 2. if axle diameter is the same front and rear, you should be able to fit a rear conversion kit to 10mm bolt on. no qr.
edit: a rear non drive side spacer is 17.5mm longer than the front right side. If it fit and if the other side is 2.5mm longer, you have 120mm spaced hub with I think 43.5mm chain line... :-/
Presumably I could then match it with a Pro 3 for the front. Can anyone suggest an axle I could use?
Saw your edit

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Ok, makes sense. Would have suggested some of the splined cog+lockring solutions otherwise.
Were you thinking of the Halo fix G?



ISO bolt on seems to be more of a 'standard' so I didn't get one only for them to go the way of the Charge Shaker




Which they no longer make or make cogs for.
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Old 20th February 2014   #89104
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You can use hex key skewers no?
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Old 20th February 2014   #89105
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^ yes, but I don't trust them as much as a real axle.

If Hope actually got round to releasing their 'Fixee' hub I'd snap them up (despite the god awful name)



I see that Wheelies actual claim to stock them, but as they're the same company as Tredz (who are famously lying bastards about what they actually have in stock) I very much doubt they exist.

Last edited by spotter; 20th February 2014 at 15:19.
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Old 20th February 2014   #89106
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Mack do an ISO bolt on if you can be bothered dealing with them.
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Old 20th February 2014   #89107
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I don't fancy waiting a year for my hubs to be made though
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Old 20th February 2014   #89108
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QR + chaintug?

Forgot about the Hope offering, one day...
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Old 20th February 2014   #89109
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QR + chaintug?
Sounds like a real bodge job
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Old 20th February 2014   #89110
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How so? Seen it used for SS mountain bikes and hub gears, no reason why it wouldn't work for something fixed...
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Old 20th February 2014   #89111
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I wouldn't want to trust that, especially if I was brakeless.
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Old 20th February 2014   #89112
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^ Exactly

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I see that Wheelies actual claim to stock them, but as they're the same company as Tredz (who are famously lying bastards about what they actually have in stock) I very much doubt they exist.

I just spoke to Hope, as I suspected Wheelies are also a bunch of filthy liars, they don't have them, no one does. The Guy at hope did say that they're currently building up a stock of the BMX hubs (which should be done by the end of the month) they're about to release then they'll be starting to machine up the 'Fixee' ready for stocking.
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Old 20th February 2014   #89113
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Custom made then? Got to be able to get it done for less than £240 for Phil's ISO hub...
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Old 20th February 2014   #89114
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Could you not get a custom axle machined then? If you're really worried… can't imagine getting a 10mm bolt through made would be that difficult

Last edited by lowpug; 20th February 2014 at 15:30. Reason: too slow
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Old 20th February 2014   #89115
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I just spoke to Hope, as I suspected Wheelies are also a bunch of filthy liars, they don't have them, no one does. The Guy at hope did say that they're currently building up a stock of the BMX hubs (which should be done by the end of the month) they're about to release then they'll be starting to machine up the 'Fixee' ready for stocking.
did you ask about conversion kit front/rear compatibility? ;-)
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Old 20th February 2014   #89116
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^I did, he said I'd have to get an axle custom made.

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Custom made then? Got to be able to get it done for less than £240 for Phil's ISO hub...
£240 for one hub is too rich for my blood. I think I'll just have to splash out on the Surly Ultras
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Old 20th February 2014   #89117
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^I did, he said I'd have to get an axle custom made.
boo. thanks.
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Old 20th February 2014   #89118
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LeVeL:
http://www.hubjub.co.uk/index.php/st...ear-hub-detail

?
Great hubs.
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Old 20th February 2014   #89119
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How so? Seen it used for SS mountain bikes and hub gears, no reason why it wouldn't work for something fixed...
Yes there is. The axle gets pushed both ways riding fixed.

SS with a QR is fine but the QR needs to be good. Some surfaces on the dropouts are better than other too. Fixed is a different story.
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Old 20th February 2014   #89120
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So I could get the Ultra front disc hub with the 120mm axle from triton for £120 and then get the front non disc from Jenson USA for about £40 + tac

I wonder what sort of chainline the 120mm conversion would give?



I'll shoot surly an email
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Old 20th February 2014   #89121
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Have you seen these LDG hubs?

Price is for a set.
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Old 20th February 2014   #89122
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See my comments on the previous page:


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Livery Design Gruppe



seemingly not available anywhere or only in places that don't offer UK shipping
I already looked into it, LDG dont ship to europe and the only other place I could find them, fixed gear frenzy, don't have them in stock.

Plus I need two sets, one in 32h and one in 36h.
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Old 20th February 2014   #89123
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Were you thinking of the Halo fix G?
Fix-g, WI Eno (non eccentric) or Victoire hubs all offer spline + lockring. These were also made a while back but lockring may interfere with cog as it was designed originally for addition of disc, not cogs: http://urbanvelo.org/montano-velo-fi...-disc-adapter/

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Yes there is. The axle gets pushed both ways riding fixed.
Wouldn't it get pushed both ways if you ran SS/hub gear with a disc brake? Applying forward force when pedalling, "backwards" when braking?
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Old 20th February 2014   #89124
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Fix-g, WI Eno (non eccentric) or Victoire hubs all offer spline + lockring. These were also made a while back but lockring may interfere with cog as it was designed originally for addition of disc, not cogs: http://urbanvelo.org/montano-velo-fi...-disc-adapter/
Don't they all use a different cog system? The reason like ISO is that its an international standard, as shown already, plenty people make the cogs. I don;t want to buy something that only one person makes and then they decide to stop making it leaving me high and dry.
Also the WI seem to be only in 136mm and didn't mechamorgan say that he was distinctly unimpressed by the victoire build quality?
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Old 20th February 2014   #89125
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You could always future proof it by buying a bunch of cogs...
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Old 20th February 2014   #89126
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meh, seem i'd be paying to back myself into a corner still
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Old 20th February 2014   #89127
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One rather flexible approach might be....
If you can procure a surly rear hub hardware kit

and an
M10x1 Rear axle
M10x1 Rear axle cover
M10x1 Rear axle
you can use any front MTB hub that has cartridge bearing ID 12.0mm
I used DaBomb, but there are plenty of other options from Hope, Ringle, DMR, DT, Commencal etc


Just had a look at Commencal - they offer ISO front hubs with fully threaded axles - you'll only need longer axle and a couple of spacers.
Seems like an easy solution and crazy cheap at 60% off

Last edited by Rik Van Looy; 20th February 2014 at 16:19.
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Old 20th February 2014   #89128
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Considering the amount of faff with getting the correct bolt on solution, shirly you're better off just using normal threaded hubs'n'cogs? I've not had a problem with this system and I change sprockets all the time.
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Old 20th February 2014   #89129
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Don't they all use a different cog system? The reason like ISO is that its an international standard, as shown already, plenty people make the cogs. I don;t want to buy something that only one person makes and then they decide to stop making it leaving me high and dry.
Also the WI seem to be only in 136mm and didn't mechamorgan say that he was distinctly unimpressed by the victoire build quality?
They do, not ideal but a compromise between ISO which is proving tricky to source and threaded.

No idea about the hub quality, have only seen their recent polo frames and spotted hubs while looking for a 48h front disc hub (also tricky to find)
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Old 20th February 2014   #89130
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Rick - thats the best answer yet, I may have some questions for you.

Lowpug - good for you, I've had problems, hence me using this system, which i've found to be much better.

Andy - I'd rather stick with the shimanos that go to that, thanks for all the information though.

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Old 20th February 2014   #89131
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See my comments on the previous page.....
Ah, missed that.
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.....fixed gear frenzy.....
Don't use this store whatever happens. They're dodgy.

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Wouldn't it get pushed both ways if you ran SS/hub gear with a disc brake? Applying forward force when pedalling, "backwards" when braking?
I guess it would to a lesser degree. And it would be 'down' (rather than backwards) when braking. I've not known anyone use a QR SS with discs on anything but a vertical dropout frame.
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Old 20th February 2014   #89132
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Considering the amount of faff with getting the correct bolt on solution, shirly you're better off just using normal threaded hubs'n'cogs? I've not had a problem with this system and I change sprockets all the time.
Spatr's skidz are too mad for normal threaded systems, I've seen the results. He's a stripper.

What happened to your normal Shimano disc hub method?
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Old 20th February 2014   #89133
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I actually really like the idea of a bolt on system, and attempted to do a wheel build this way but got sick of the changing standards/unavailablity of parts etc. guess I'm lazy! That and already having all the tools, spare lock rings and cogs. What RVL posted is a nice solution.
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Old 20th February 2014   #89134
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Spatr's skidz are too mad for normal threaded systems, I've seen the results. He's a stripper.

What happened to your normal Shimano disc hub method?
As I said, the shimano's work fine, I just would like something that doesn't rely on loose bearings and cones. Plus the one on my bruiser keeps coming loose, no matter who tightens it.
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Old 20th February 2014   #89135
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I guess it would to a lesser degree. And it would be 'down' (rather than backwards) when braking. I've not known anyone use a QR SS with discs on anything but a vertical dropout frame.
I was thinking along the lines of the Surly Ogre/Troll/Krampus e.g.



Looks a bit busy but it's horizontal ends, hub gear, tuggnut and QR all bundled together.
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Old 20th February 2014   #89136
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Neoretro Merckx Winter Beater.

Nice.

Needs black RD, and possibly stem and seatpost, can't decide. Or maybe everything should be silver...
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Old 20th February 2014   #89137
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Before anyone suggests the Shimano XT M756



I've already used these on three wheels sets, and i'm never totally happy with them, hence me wanting something a bit posher.
Any particular reason why you weren't happy with them? I've got a couple of cheapy Deore versions which I'm planning to use for rear wheels, so I'd be interested in your experiences with the XTs.
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Old 20th February 2014   #89138
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See my comments above to tommmmmmm, there is nothing wrong with them, I'd recommend them. I just wanted sealed bearings
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Old 20th February 2014   #89139
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So you did. Cheers!
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Old 20th February 2014   #89140
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Nice.

Needs black RD, and possibly stem and seatpost, can't decide. Or maybe everything should be silver...
It needs the slight mismatch so you know it's a beater, otherwise it looks dangerously close to someone's Sunday best!

I like the silver stem and post, it matched the forks. Lovely build all in all
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Old 20th February 2014   #89141
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Neoretro Merckx Winter Beater.
What are the bars?
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Old 20th February 2014   #89142
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Spatr/Spotter Bars/Bontrager SSR VRC
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Old 20th February 2014   #89143
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Spotter - can't you get XH or Nhatt to sort you out with the LDG hubs?
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Old 20th February 2014   #89144
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I hadn't thought of that, good point. I'd still need a 36h hole set. However if i've understood what Rik is saying, I may well have a world of options open to me now.
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Old 20th February 2014   #89145
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I was thinking along the lines of the Surly Ogre/Troll/Krampus e.g.



Looks a bit busy but it's horizontal ends, hub gear, tuggnut and QR all bundled together.
Surly obviously got these to work then.

You can use a QR for fixed. I wouldn't choose to though.
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Old 20th February 2014   #89146
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Don't suppose someone could link me to somewhere with a decent guide on prepping and painting your bike?
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Old 20th February 2014   #89147
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What are my options for a sealed bearing ISO bolt on cog hubs?
Have you seen the conversion I did for my tandem? Any 15mm through axle hub, chainline can be tweaked to suit, around £50 for the axle+spacers.
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Old 20th February 2014   #89148
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got some definition back around the seat post clamp


so burnt out two mofo's this afternoon


all cunningly achieved with aid of my unpatented, self styled "BB Bung/Plug"

on their way back to the saarfside...
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Old 20th February 2014   #89149
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Have you seen the conversion I did for my tandem? Any 15mm through axle hub, chainline can be tweaked to suit, around £50 for the axle+spacers.
Vague memories, didnt you have something custom made?
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Old 20th February 2014   #89150
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Yes.
http://www.lfgss.com/post3622522-89.html
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