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Old 14th April 2012   #59851
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Please explain, I'll change my habits if you have science. On rear wheels, it is traditional to have the pulling spokes inbound for crossed/interleaved builds (as pictured), because the increase in tension under power then tends to pull the interleaved crossing inboard, and away from the dérailleur. This is obviously irrelevant on track wheels.
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On dished rear wheels, yup, I know you're supposed to do it the other way. But I definitely got this from somewhere reputable, probably Jobst Brandt. I'll check the book.
So, I went and had a look through the Brandt book, but it doesn't seem to back up what I thought. It does indeed recommend that you build rear wheels with the trailing spokes on the inside, irrespective of dish.

However, the Musson book is the other way round. His method ends up with the leading spokes on the inside. And then I remembered where I got the 'stronger' thing from - before I started building wheels, I had a set built by Arup and he specifically told me that he built them so that the hub logos were readable from behind when installed in the 'correct' - stronger - orientation, which was leading spokes inside.

So I've always built front wheels and track wheels that way round.

I wonder if it might have something to do with the Brandt diagrams showing the build process from the non-drive side, when one might assume they were from the drive side.

tl;dr

#csb
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Old 14th April 2012   #59852
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and I'm getting a clickety-clack when the pedals turny?
Maybe make sure your chain line and chain tension is okay to?
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Old 14th April 2012   #59853
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he specifically told me that he built them so that the hub logos were readable from behind when installed in the 'correct' - stronger - orientation, which was leading spokes inside.
The only hubs I've had which have a distinct 'right way round' are C-Record, which have counterbores for the spoke heads at alternate holes on the outside of the flange. That does force you to build a particular way round, and because the handedness of most rims opposes it you end up with either outbound pulling spokes or a trapped valve. Apart from the rear drive side argument enumerated above, and maybe the brake side of disc brake wheels for the same reason, there is no reason to favour one method over the other. Incidentally, dish has nothing to do with it, except that it's dish that puts the rear dérailleur cage so close to the drive side spokes in the first place.
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Old 14th April 2012   #59854
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On the wheels I've built for myself recently, I've put whichever spokes would get the greatest load on the inside of the flange, so my disc front wheel is laced the other way round to my v-brake front.
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Old 14th April 2012   #59855
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The only hubs I've had which have a distinct 'right way round' are C-Record, which have counterbores for the spoke heads at alternate holes on the outside of the flange. That does force you to build a particular way round, and because the handedness of most rims opposes it you end up with either outbound pulling spokes or a trapped valve. Apart from the rear drive side argument enumerated above, and maybe the brake side of disc brake wheels for the same reason, there is no reason to favour one method over the other. Incidentally, dish has nothing to do with it, except that it's dish that puts the rear dérailleur cage so close to the drive side spokes in the first place.
Indeed. Interesting that that misconception had perpetuated somehow though.

I thought it might have been the disc wheel forces that convinced Musson to build that way out of habit (as he seems mostly to build MTB wheels) but in his book he reckons when he was learning, he looked at the wheels being used in the TdF and most of them were built with the pulling spokes on the outside so that's what he did. Maybe they were mostly C-Record...
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Old 14th April 2012   #59856
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The only hubs I've had which have a distinct 'right way round' are C-Record, which have counterbores for the spoke heads at alternate holes on the outside of the flange. That does force you to build a particular way round, and because the handedness of most rims opposes it you end up with either outbound pulling spokes or a trapped valve. Apart from the rear drive side argument enumerated above, and maybe the brake side of disc brake wheels for the same reason, there is no reason to favour one method over the other. Incidentally, dish has nothing to do with it, except that it's dish that puts the rear dérailleur cage so close to the drive side spokes in the first place.
Aren't those counter bores to relieve stress on the bend of the spoke? -so the spoke head actually goes on the other side of the flange?
Sounds like the spoke holes on Mavic hubs
http://www.sterba-bike.cz/media/prod...avic-276-5.jpg
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Old 14th April 2012   #59857
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Few bits need adding (such as a new saddle). Fun bike and a really nice ride. This will eventually turn into my Time Trail bike for 2012.
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Old 14th April 2012   #59858
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Win.

Has the rear triangle been repaired?
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Old 14th April 2012   #59859
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Win.

Has the rear triangle been repaired?
Yeah the frame was built for a 650c rear and I toyed with selling it - but got it sorted at Mercian
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Old 14th April 2012   #59860
TMdonor
 
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Ah right so they moved the brake bridge up, thought the clearances looked toight!
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Old 14th April 2012   #59861
edscoble
 
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So basically you got an even higher BB!
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Old 14th April 2012   #59862
1000archangels
 
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just wanted to say, thats one short and tall bike.
ed you have a pm too.
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Old 14th April 2012   #59863
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my dolan seta is still a current project, waiting for new parts to bring the weight under 6.6kg. i know it would be easy to go under 6, but there are parts which i won't change.
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Old 14th April 2012   #59864
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Like the saddle you mean?

Fair enough, very personal choice those are.
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Old 14th April 2012   #59865
mdcc_testerdonor
 
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Aren't those counter bores to relieve stress on the bend of the spoke?
No, they are not bell-mouth holes as you would make them to support the spoke bend, they are actual counterbores sized and shaped to accommodate the spoke head. Some pictures on the internet seem to show the large flange C-Record road hubs with counterbores on all the holes, but mine are definitely on alternate holes which, given the 1/2 spoke offset from one side to another, makes them 'handed'
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Old 14th April 2012   #59866
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Made a few boring changes to my Gazelle, including the crank set, bottom bracket, saddle, bar tape, straps, saddle bag, mudguard and new kicks, which actually match loads of stuff, never meant them to.



I got a ride on Sunday and it might rain, so bodged on a mudguard and got a huge saddle bag with room for a thin jacket
Tyres look good. Michelin Dynamics? Shame you changed the original crank, why was that, for lower gearing? Other than the modern saddle and the extra's it's looking pretty good. Glad you changed the hoods and tape for black, looks much better than the white I had on it.
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Old 15th April 2012   #59867
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Haha are they Adidas Gazelles?
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Old 15th April 2012   #59868
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Changed saddle to Ti SLR and got some nice blue Fizik Microtex. That is all.
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Old 15th April 2012   #59869
apollodonor
 
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anyone use this front DR clamp?



£5.99 at evans, otherwise any suggestions for value for money alternatives?
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Old 15th April 2012   #59870
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That one is fine.
Shimano, SRAM and Campag all make their own if you want to match to groupset.
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Old 15th April 2012   #59871
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Tyres look good. Michelin Dynamics? Shame you changed the original crank, why was that, for lower gearing? Other than the modern saddle and the extra's it's looking pretty good. Glad you changed the hoods and tape for black, looks much better than the white I had on it.
It's in long distance/practical mode at the moment, well long distance for me anyway

Tyres are Panaracer pasela (awesome tyres), i did change the crankset so i could get a lower gearing, glad i did as well, still got the original ones in my shed, the Rolls saddle will be going back on tomorrow.

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Haha are they Adidas Gazelles?
I wish, i really wanted some, but i ended up having to settle for ones called Elridge, similar to Samba's

Last edited by Aches and pains; 15th April 2012 at 13:49.
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Old 15th April 2012   #59872
robinmarine
All pantos done and for a grand total of £6
My eyes hurt though
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Old 15th April 2012   #59873
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That one is fine.
Shimano, SRAM and Campag all make their own if you want to match to groupset.
is it compatible with all sorts of mechs ? (ultegra triple to be precise)
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Old 15th April 2012   #59874
mdcc_testerdonor
 
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Yes, road FD hangers are universal, haven't changed in decades.
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Old 15th April 2012   #59875
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Few bits need adding (such as a new saddle). Fun bike and a really nice ride. This will eventually turn into my Time Trail bike for 2012.
Seat tube angle is extra steep now too, how does this ride?
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Old 15th April 2012   #59876
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my brooklyn:




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Old 15th April 2012   #59877
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liking it
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Old 15th April 2012   #59878
TMdonor
 
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Sweet!

What are those bars, some fair old rise on them...
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Old 15th April 2012   #59879
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octane one from crc, 3". A bit too high for the front end. Going something like 2" when I find some nice ones.
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Old 15th April 2012   #59880
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when i sell my plastic planet x nanolight with chorus 11 groupset later this year..
i'm getting something like this from Daniel Merenyi, time to go back to steel methinks




apparently the text on the seat stay is all about opportunities and drinking
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Old 15th April 2012   #59881
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I saw and loved that frame at bespoked, it just looked fabulous.
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Old 15th April 2012   #59882
almac68donor
 
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the photo doesn't do it justice.. always fancied a colnago..
but the Bel Canto Pista looks very special
suspect he'll do limited paint jobs
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Old 15th April 2012   #59883
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negaatio-thats my favourite gangsta ever! Don't ever do the skinny tyres and drops on it, that always looks utter shite.
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Old 15th April 2012   #59884
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^^^^ Vewy nice!!
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Old 15th April 2012   #59885
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octane one from crc, 3". A bit too high for the front end. Going something like 2" when I find some nice ones.
try velosolo. I love em
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Old 15th April 2012   #59886
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This will probably be for sale soon for about £500 without wheels.

The top tube is just too long for me. 59cm top tube, 58 seat tube

Last edited by sumo; 15th April 2012 at 21:28.
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Old 15th April 2012   #59887
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This looks like heaps of fun. It's the long version right?
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Old 15th April 2012   #59888
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^^ You could take inspiration from Senor Bear...
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Old 15th April 2012   #59889
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The top tube is just too long for me. 59cm top tube, 58 seat tube
just, or just?

Could it not just be cured with a 90mm stem and shallower bars?
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Old 15th April 2012   #59890
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what are teh wheels btw?
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Old 15th April 2012   #59891
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just, or just?

Could it not just be cured with a 90mm stem and shallower bars?
probably, but that's a work around, not a solution. I have a new bike on the way so I have no room in my house for bikes that don't fit.
The wheels are Planet X.
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Old 15th April 2012   #59892
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I'd be interested in the groupset, if things went that way ;)
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Old 15th April 2012   #59893
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This will probably be for sale soon for about £500 without wheels.

The top tube is just too long for me. 59cm top tube, 58 seat tube
Another bike to add to the list
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Old 15th April 2012   #59894
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how long is the list now?
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Old 15th April 2012   #59895
miro_odonor
 
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Stem/bar reach too long?
Buy new bike.
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Old 15th April 2012   #59896
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BIKE FOR LIIIlFE
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Old 15th April 2012   #59897
lanerdonor
 
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RIP
visp
pro weinner
bmc
dolan no. 1
random mountain bike
dasia
carbon thing
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Old 15th April 2012   #59898
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i must have missed a few...
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Old 15th April 2012   #59899
sumo
 
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I'm not putting a 70mm stem on it. Besides, my custom 853 frame will do everything I need. I'm keeping the wheels because I will probably want a flashy carbon frame again in the future.
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Old 15th April 2012   #59900
Doktor P.
dasia and mountain bike are still at his
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