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Old 20th April 2011   #301
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If he only gets 2, does that make him Dilbert?
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Old 20th April 2011   #302
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Anyway, fuck not showing your hand. That's boring. Attacking riding for the win, literally.
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Old 20th April 2011   #304
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Anyway, fuck not showing your hand. That's boring. Attacking riding for the win, literally.
This. He attacks by showing his hand - very Merckx! It's a joy to watch someone riding tactically, yet still blowing their wad in spectacular fashion. Cancellara is possibly stronger, but he's heavier and lacks some of Gilbert's race 'smarts'.

Odds on for LBL? I wouldn't bet much against him, and if I did, I'd still pop a sneaky fiver on him on the side.
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Old 20th April 2011   #305
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^He is totally the new Merckx.
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Old 20th April 2011   #306
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I don't think Gilbert is that smart, his ill advised solo attack on the Bosberg showed he's prone to act without thinking at times. I hope he wins on Sunday but a lot of teams are going to be trying to beat him and, as Flanders and Roubaix showed, it's possible to outnumber the strongest rider in the race.

He's already done a triple btw, as he won the Fleche Brabaconne last week, meaning he's won the last three races he's ridden.
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Old 20th April 2011   #307
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^Earring and nasal strip ride will be recruiting shortly.

On Sunday he will be driving the team car, chasing down breaks and then leading himself out for the sprint.
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Old 20th April 2011   #308
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He's rocking a bit of a late '90s Ullrich look. And for that reason, I'm in.
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Old 20th April 2011   #309
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I don't think Gilbert is that smart, his ill advised solo attack on the Bosberg showed he's prone to act without thinking at times. I hope he wins on Sunday but a lot of teams are going to be trying to beat him and, as Flanders and Roubaix showed, it's possible to outnumber the strongest rider in the race.

He's already done a triple btw, as he won the Fleche Brabaconne last week, meaning he's won the last three races he's ridden.
Who gives a shit about being the perfect tactician? That's Armstrong territory. But then I forget how much you worship him.
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Old 20th April 2011   #310
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It also helps if the strongest rider in the race has based their tactics on hubris and arrogance. I can't see Gilbert making that mistake.
Also, how long is it since anyone as good as Gilbert wasn't tainted by suspicion?
I really hope he wins.
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Old 21st April 2011   #311
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...icle539978.ece

This is an interesting little article - I'm not much raking or anything, but it makes you wonder if the peleton is truly a cleaner place, thus allowing Gilbert to shine? In my slightly rose-tinted world, I'd like to think so!

And yeah, Will - I'd like to see Gilbert win too. Every few seasons I love to see a total Blitzkrieg!
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Old 21st April 2011   #312
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The Science of Sport blog has alot of analysis suggesting peloton has slowed right down and power numbers are down on what they were.
2010 Tourmalet climbed in 56 mins, in 2003 it was 44 mins by you know who and nobody is boasting about their 500 watt FTP these days either.
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Old 21st April 2011   #313
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The cynic in me thinks everyone is micro-dosing instead of the premium unleaded they were running on during the PED arm's race of the past.
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Old 21st April 2011   #314
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I'm inclined to agree, but lets face it, the legal supplements athletes take are as close to doping as they can get without breaking the rules.

Sometimes I just switch on the telly, switch off my conscience, crack a beer and enjoy the racing. I don't always 'believe' the winner, but I love the spectacle.
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Old 21st April 2011   #315
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http://inrng.com/?p=2729
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Old 21st April 2011   #316
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See who came in at the Fleche Wallonne in 80th place, someone who would have been duking it out for a top ten only a year or two ago?

Danilo de Luca.

Seems like he's lost that 'killer' instinct now that his blood values are under such close scrutiny...
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Old 21st April 2011   #317
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That's a bit of a strange piece. Cautiously supportive, but definitely fence-sitting. And that last paragraph is very hastily cobbled together!

Something of a none-article?
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Old 21st April 2011   #318
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That's a bit of a strange piece. Cautiously supportive, but definitely fence-sitting. And that last paragraph is very hastily cobbled together!

Something of a none-article?
On a blog - who'd have thought it? ;)
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Old 21st April 2011   #319
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^lol!

Charlie Wegelius is putting in a pretty solid performance in the Giro Del Trentino, btw. 25th day one, 24th day two, now a respectable 10th overall.

Maybe a slightly lower rung team will give him room to shine?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/gir...tage-1/results
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Old 21st April 2011   #320
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That's a bit of a strange piece. Cautiously supportive, but definitely fence-sitting. And that last paragraph is very hastily cobbled together!

Something of a none-article?
It's a case of suggesting things might be getting better...many a commentator have been burnt before with claims of 'things are getting better' only to be burnt when some new news pops up. Really enjoy Inner Ring for general commentary on things cycling
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Old 21st April 2011   #321
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^lol!

Charlie Wegelius is putting in a pretty solid performance in the Giro Del Trentino, btw. 25th day one, 24th day two, now a respectable 10th overall.

Maybe a slightly lower rung team will give him room to shine?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/gir...tage-1/results
Isn't that exactly what United Healthcare are doing for him? I'm not sure he wants to be a leader though, he's not cut out for it mentally.

Can we have the obligatory claw pic now?
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Old 21st April 2011   #322
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Classic bit of astroturfing in the comments section though

One can criticise the UCI as much as you like, and in some cases the criticism will be warranted, but the introduction of the biological passport has to be one of the bravest moves by a governing body to combat doping. Anne Gripper deserves a lot of credit for her vision and tenacity in seeing it through.

Yeh, thanks Pat.
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Old 21st April 2011   #323
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I stand by that comment.
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Old 21st April 2011   #324
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Pat Power!
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Old 21st April 2011   #325
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Come on Andy, it's been obvious for years that you a UCI stooge. Your constant lauding of Armstrong, your enthusiasm for the "attacking verve and elan" of DiLuca, the "brave and exciting" style of Vinokourov and the "raw sexual energy" of Ricco.
It's time to fess up and ship out.
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Old 21st April 2011   #326
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Isn't that exactly what United Healthcare are doing for him? I'm not sure he wants to be a leader though, he's not cut out for it mentally.

Can we have the obligatory claw pic now?
Sorry, that's what I meant - with United healthcare he gets his chances at last.

I agree though - not sure he's quite leadership material. I tend to think the same of Wiggins, for that matter.

Not had chance to 'Claw' Wegelius yet, but I've got one of my mauling Steve Cummings somewhere... :-)
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Old 21st April 2011   #327
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I met Wegelius at the start of the Tour of Lombardy back in the late 1990s. He couldn't believe we'd travelled out from the UK for a bike race.
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Old 21st April 2011   #328
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Sometimes I just switch on the telly, switch off my conscience, crack a beer and enjoy the racing. I don't always 'believe' the winner, but I love the spectacle.
As for you: it's this attitude that has dragged cycling in to the gutter. I am not saying you are personally responsible for everything that has gone wrong in the sport over the last 20 years but you are.
It's time to take down those Pantani posters, rip up your Schumacher t-shirt and smell the wood for the trees.
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Old 21st April 2011   #329
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I.... can't.... I just want to see Ulrich come back for one more Tour!!! *sob*
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Old 21st April 2011   #330
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The only tour Ulrich will be doing any time soon is of all the local cake shops.
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Old 21st April 2011   #331
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Forum ride?

1. Ulrich
2. Lucifer
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Old 21st April 2011   #332
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I'm fairly certain it's 'Ullrich', you spazzaz.
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Old 21st April 2011   #333
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I think if Gilbert keeps making all the right moves, he could even target playing Ullrich in the biopic of the 'Panzer'.
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Old 21st April 2011   #334
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Anyway, fuck not showing your hand. That's boring. Attacking riding for the win, literally.
yep and by 'showing his hand' before L-B-L he has also won the other two Ardenne classics! which is not to be sniffed at even if he flops on sunday.

if he hid in the last two, he could still lose out to someone else having a powerful and clever ride on sunday
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Old 21st April 2011   #335
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Oldest trick in the book, the old 'pretend-you can't-win-by-losing-all-the-time'.

I'm a fucking master at it.

Now, if I can only get a team to give me a shot at Liege Bastogne Liege...
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Old 21st April 2011   #336
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While i'm not the biggest fan of Jan the pieman, 2003 in celeste still gives me the horn

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Old 22nd April 2011   #337
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Classic bit of astroturfing in the comments section though

One can criticise the UCI as much as you like, and in some cases the criticism will be warranted, but the introduction of the biological passport has to be one of the bravest moves by a governing body to combat doping. Anne Gripper deserves a lot of credit for her vision and tenacity in seeing it through.

Yeh, thanks Pat.
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I stand by that comment.
Further down the comments, 'wiganwill' says something rather similar, strangely enough.
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Old 22nd April 2011   #338
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preview of La Doyenne in the Telegraph, including Merckx' praise for Gilbert season so far

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oth...e-preview.html
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Old 24th April 2011   #340
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Top work by the Schlecks to put Gilbert on the front. His to lose now?
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Old 24th April 2011   #341
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schlecks snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.......
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Old 24th April 2011   #342
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what were they up to? Not one attack? Tres bizarre. Credit to Gilbert though, he was the man to beat and he didn't whinge like Cancellara did and just got the job done.
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Old 24th April 2011   #343
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Problem Schlecks?




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Old 24th April 2011   #344
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Gilbert is phenomenal. I don't think I've seen a Classics rider as complete as him since Sean Kelly, which is the highest praise I can give.
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Old 25th April 2011   #346
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I have no idea why the Schlecks just sat there without attacking. As David Harmon said they probably knew that if they couldn't drop Gilbert on the final climb it was check mate. They still could have at least tried a move in the final few kilometers, though... perhaps they had nothing left in the tank...
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Old 25th April 2011   #347
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Andy couldn't sprint his way past a mobility scooter, and Gilbert put some sprint-sapping pain into Frank's legs on the penultimate climb.

Plus they're boring bastards with barely a brain cell between them.
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Old 28th April 2011   #348
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Could it be??? Cunego showing some form before the Giro?
http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/tou...tage-2/results

And David 'No Show' Millar a creditable 13th in a hilly finish too.

Ben Swift (one of my shouts as a possible Tour contender) 47th, not far off pace.
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Old 28th April 2011   #349
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Pettachi got a win in the Tour of Turkey too... Think he'll sneak a few stages in the Giro?
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Old 28th April 2011   #350
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Yeah, one or two, I reckon. Early, then I think he'll drop out.
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