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Old 6th January 2011   #401
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It's a thoroughbred race bike though, not really that suitable for long days in the saddle.
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Old 6th January 2011   #402
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I have a CAAD 5 and it's way more comfy than my 'race' bike

Up to the OP really, have you decided which groupset manufacturer you're after?
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Old 6th January 2011   #403
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Here is the CAAD 10 Ultimate. >6kg
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Old 6th January 2011   #404
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Such a depressing looking bike.
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Old 6th January 2011   #405
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And being all black, it looks fucking heavy.
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Old 6th January 2011   #406
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^^Really I was about to say the opposite. Generally I'm not a fan of them, but that is awesome.
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Old 6th January 2011   #407
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I don't like it much either, too subdued.

I like the one above with the green, put some of these on and we're talking!

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Old 6th January 2011   #408
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SuperX is a cyclocross bike
Sorry meant the Super Six.
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Old 6th January 2011   #409
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super six is made of carbon
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Old 6th January 2011   #410
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It's a thoroughbred race bike though, not really that suitable for long days in the saddle.
Andy if that cannondale is sized and set up properly you should be bale to race on it all day long :)
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Old 6th January 2011   #411
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As Regal's link shows, it's not strictly true and there are definitely more than two carbon frame producing factories, some of which are now in mainland China. All the major brands, by which I mean the likes of Trek, Specialized, Giant et al, have their frames produced in China/Taiwan, but usually to their own specification based on their own R&D. The likes of Ribble, and many other smaller name brands, simply rebadge generic frames made in the same factories.

Time make all their own carbon frames in house, and I believe Look do too (although they have a factory in Algeria). Some of the Italian manufacturers still maintain local production.
Viner bikes are still hand built in Italy from carbon tubes and lugs supplied by Dedaccai.

The carbon bits are made using Toray carbon fibre, so it probably originates from the far east.
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Old 6th January 2011   #412
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super six is made of carbon
Which is what the OP was chattin bout before. You're the one who wants a CAAD10 ;)

With 105 it comes in at £1799.99. Which is just under the £2k budget.


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Old 6th January 2011   #413
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Viner bikes are still hand built in Italy from carbon tubes and lugs supplied by Dedaccai.

The carbon bits are made using Toray carbon fibre, so it probably originates from the far east.
Viner buy complete frames from Dedaccai then paint them and badge them up.
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Old 6th January 2011   #414
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Viner buy complete frames from Dedaccai then paint them and badge them up.
Who does the made-to-measure then? Dedaccai?
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Old 6th January 2011   #415
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^^^That SuperSix is well worth a look
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Old 6th January 2011   #416
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Only if they get someone competent to refit those bars and hoods.
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Old 6th January 2011   #417
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Depending on sizing issues and if you went ti, I imagine a combo of the moots seat post with the curve in it and the tioga spyder saddle will make any bike you buy comfortable for all day riding.

Here's a cheap source for the saddle:

£37 and it'll be be sent EMS (I think) which great for cutom dodging.

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Old 6th January 2011   #418
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the OP mentioned the best bike by far for what he wants- the synapse:


105 for just shy of £1600, carbon, awesome.

triple chainset. set up for audaxs/ training rides. comfy as fuck (if its anything like the alu synapse I rode).
brilliant bike.
I'd try and get the 2008 model though.. hate the green.
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Old 6th January 2011   #419
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Andy if that cannondale is sized and set up properly you should be bale to race on it all day long :)
Definitely agree with this.
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the OP mentioned the best bike by far for what he wants- the synapse
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Was riding next to one of them on the last climbing event I did (I was on a fixed bob jackson, so it cant be that good ;) ), looked stunning in the flesh.

The best bike by far 'll be the 566 with Rival that I posted though (just so's I win)

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Old 6th January 2011   #420
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I don't have a groupset manufacturer preference. My Merckx is set up with Shimano, which seems fine - but as that's the first geared non-mountain bike I've owned I don't really have much of a reference point.

I'd be really keen to give SRAM a go (even though I hate their mtb stuff) and Campag I don't really have an opinion on.

I think the best thing to do (i think Andy mentioned this in another thread) is to decide based on which levers suit my hands the best.

Re: the bike - I've booked myself in for a new bike consultation in early Feb with the bike whisperer. This will hopefully help me make an educated decision about what would fit me well and dispose of all the marketing bullshit ("this frame is for racing".. "this frame is for Sportives" etc). I'm hoping they'll have some levers for me to look at too.
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Old 6th January 2011   #421
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SmallFurry- the look is gorgeous. I've always loved their frames (LOVE their logo too - the original, not the frame graphics above).. and it's crazy value considering how much their frames are alone.

I just think it's a) too big for me and b) too much money!
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Old 6th January 2011   #422
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I have a size 57 Bianchi here with SRAM you're more than welcome to try out.
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Old 6th January 2011   #423
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Very kind. Whereabouts are you?
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Old 6th January 2011   #424
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SmallFurry- the look is gorgeous. I've always loved their frames (LOVE their logo too - the original, not the frame graphics above).. and it's crazy value considering how much their frames are alone.

I just think it's a) too big for me and b) too much money!
Just getting carried away with the thread TBH ;)

Your comment above about the bike fit cutting through the marketing BS is spot on. Its just my personal and uneducated opinion, but sportive specific bikes are at least in part, an attempt to expliot a growing market sector. Nobody making road race bikes, sets out to make their bike harsh so as to appeal to racers. If your fit determines that you can best achieve the placement of contact points you desire, with a short'n'tall sportive geometry. Then that'll be the way to go. But its also possible that a standard road geometry is a better fit.
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Old 6th January 2011   #425
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Just getting carried away with the thread TBH ;)

Your comment above about the bike fit cutting through the marketing BS is spot on. Its just my personal and uneducated opinion, but sportive specific bikes are at least in part, an attempt to expliot a growing market sector. Nobody making road race bikes, sets out to make their bike harsh so as to appeal to racers. If your fit determines that you can best achieve the placement of contact points you desire, with a short'n'tall sportive geometry. Then that'll be the way to go. But its also possible that a standard road geometry is a better fit.

The only thing I'm worried about is those long long descents on the etape, with people screaming past (under no illusions that people will safety conscious from what I saw last year) - I'd prefer a more upright position purely because it will be slightly less painful on my hands (and terrifying being right over the front the whole time)..

But we shall see what Scherrit says and what my crappy body can tolerate.
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Old 6th January 2011   #426
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I'd prefer a more upright position purely because it will be slightly less painful on my hands (and terrifying being right over the front the whole time)..
stack height spacers and stem length will give you what you want to a degree,some brilliant vfm out there just chose which fits you best and not what is the most bling.
Mose people cant tell or feel the differences in geometry anyhow so i wouldnt get to hung up about it.you can use your brakes on the decents and go at your own pace anyhow.
I would go and ride a few if i was spending that sort of cash,
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Old 6th January 2011   #427
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Very kind. Whereabouts are you?
Brentford, next to the stadium
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Old 6th January 2011   #428
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Spesh Carbon Tarmac. All day comfy.
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Old 6th January 2011   #429
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Spesh Carbon Tarmac. All day comfy.
a LOT prettier than that Roubaix too - super anti in my opinion. My friend has an s-works Roubaix that is rather nice though
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Old 6th January 2011   #430
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Dan, if possible do a lot of yoga or pilates to work on your core strenght and flexibility before you have your fit done.

Its something Scherrit believes will help people a lot.
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Old 6th January 2011   #431
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yes, I've been meaning to start. I'm super inflexible. Swimming has helped me a lot but I think that yoga is a good option for me
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Old 6th January 2011   #432
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Re: the bike - I've booked myself in for a new bike consultation in early Feb with the bike whisperer. This will hopefully help me make an educated decision about what would fit me well and dispose of all the marketing bullshit ("this frame is for racing".. "this frame is for Sportives" etc). I'm hoping they'll have some levers for me to look at too.
Good plan - I had my CAAD9 set up there, and it rides like a dream. Never thought of doing things the other way round (get fit, choose bike). Anyway, they are great guys, have fun.
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Old 6th January 2011   #433
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2-3 sessions a week until the fit is done

scherrit once said if someone was to come to him asking for training and fitting as a cyclist with no prior cycling history he'd suggest a 6 month period of core and flexibility training before fitting them for the bike and making them do proper cycling training.
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Old 6th January 2011   #434
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2-3?! Fuck. I guess I've only got a month. 2 I can maybe do, but 3 I'd never have time for
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Old 6th January 2011   #435
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Good plan - I had my CAAD9 set up there, and it rides like a dream. Never thought of doing things the other way round (get fit, choose bike). Anyway, they are great guys, have fun.
I'll probably go back for cleat alignment etc after, but it's only 40 quid to get measured up and go through my options for an hour and a half. Incredible value and will hopefully eliminate a bunch of my options and give me the basis for an informed decision. Priceless when you're dropping a whole bunch of cash on a bike
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Old 6th January 2011   #436
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2-3?! Fuck. I guess I've only got a month. 2 I can maybe do, but 3 I'd never have time for
You could do it instead of talking shit on the internet.
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Old 6th January 2011   #437
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Core stability, meh.

You'll get more than enough work out on your core from the training you do for the events you have planned.
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Old 6th January 2011   #438
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You could do it instead of talking shit on the internet.
thanks for that
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Old 6th January 2011   #439
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It's true. Only takes about 20 minutes to go through some useful yoga poses. Most people who frequent forums could easily spare 20 minutes of talking-shit-on-the-internet-time each day.
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Old 6th January 2011   #440
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It's true. Only takes about 20 minutes to go through some useful yoga poses. Most people who frequent forums could easily spare 20 minutes of talking-shit-on-the-internet-time each day.

It's hard to do yoga in my studio, there are other people here who probably wouldn't appreciate me bending and sweating. I talk shit on the internet on slow days or when I'm waiting for files to upload etc. Thanks again, super helpful comment
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Old 6th January 2011   #441
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2-3?! Fuck. I guess I've only got a month. 2 I can maybe do, but 3 I'd never have time for
Have a look at core strengthening physiotherapy exercises and do a couple before you go to bed each night. You've got enough time for that haven't you?
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Old 6th January 2011   #442
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as with most physical training once a week will make very little difference, twice a week and you will start to notice a gradual improvement. 3 or more sessions and the difference will become quite noticeable.
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Old 6th January 2011   #443
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It's completely unnecessary though. Unless you've got an existing problem, riding a bike lots will strenghten your core enough to ride a bike lots.
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Old 6th January 2011   #444
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It's true. Only takes about 20 minutes to go through some useful yoga poses. Most people who frequent forums could easily spare 20 minutes of talking-shit-on-the-internet-time each day.
I tend to have my Swiss ball next to me when posting in the evenings. I do sets of sit-ups + press ups + supermen while on the ball. Then recover with some BS posting.
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Old 6th January 2011   #445
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@andy - most people these days have weak cores apparently. Cycling regularly will help but if you start strenuous exercise you might make things worse before they get better. At least if you're doing controlled exercises you know you're not over-doing it.
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Old 6th January 2011   #446
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They need to take a dose of HTFU then.
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Old 6th January 2011   #447
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It's completely unnecessary though. Unless you've got an existing problem, riding a bike lots will strenghten your core enough to ride a bike lots.
I do it as part of my strength training for playing rugby hooker. My first season back on in the game, I was folded in two nearly every match. Eventually my head was going to end up, up my own arse. I would like to avoid this.

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Old 6th January 2011   #448
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In most sports these days there is a focus on basic core strength so that the limbs can then operate from a stable platform.

As I understand it, if you get a fit done without having worked on flexibility and then start riding and doing stretches your flexibility will then start to improve, affecting some of the fit.
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Old 6th January 2011   #449
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Cycling is pretty much the only sport i do, and riding doesn't do anything for flexibility really. For me 15 mins of yoga a day is the best way I've found to prevent tight hamstrings. It affects my reach on bike too.
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Old 6th January 2011   #450
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I do it as part of my strength training for playing rugby hooker. My first season back on in the game, I was folded in two nearly every match. Evenally my head was going to end up, up my own arse sooner or later. I would like to avoid this.
Great. But I think Dan plans to ride a bike, not play hooker for his local XV.
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