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Old 25th November 2011   #2151
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That's just like saying you prefer Ford to Vauxhall.
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Old 25th November 2011   #2152
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Or men to women
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Old 25th November 2011   #2153
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Fuck off!
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Old 25th November 2011   #2154
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If you're going to buy Canadian.....

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Old 25th November 2011   #2155
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That's just like saying you prefer Ford to Vauxhall.
Is one of these good?
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Old 25th November 2011   #2156
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p.s - Dov, you bought a Bianchi = equivalent of a Fiat.
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Old 25th November 2011   #2157
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If you're going to buy Canadian.....

Ewwwwwwww
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Old 25th November 2011   #2158
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think all the Cervelo's look ugly these days.. the paint jobs make them look like cheap Specialized's
Say that again and I'll insert some Zertz in places where it definitely won't improve your riding comfort.

#placeboeffect
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Old 25th November 2011   #2159
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you can't hurt me over the internet dubtap!

(for the record - paint job on your Vauxhall is nice... it's all the new black/red black/grey ones that are shit)
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Old 25th November 2011   #2160
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p.s - Dov, you bought a Bianchi = equivalent of a Fiat.
By which logic BMC = Ocra Engineering.



Ugly, angular, and fast.
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Old 25th November 2011   #2161
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p.s - Dov, you bought a Bianchi = equivalent of a Fiat.
I'm putting a body-kit on it and giving it a lick of paint. It's gonna be a fucking Lambo by the time I'm finished!

Which of these is best?


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Old 25th November 2011   #2162
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Red bikes are faster. Scientific FACT.
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Old 25th November 2011   #2163
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Painted bikes are slower due to the enormous weight of the paint- naked carbon bikes are therefore faster
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Old 25th November 2011   #2164
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yeah - but dov's got to cover up the skin graft on his £3K flatbar commuter


Dov, why not just sticker it up ;)
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Old 25th November 2011   #2165
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Supreme stickers are waterproof, I learned yesterday, and might help to cover up the gaffa tape?
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Old 25th November 2011   #2166
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The paints a bit naff on both.

A scott sticker or two, and some zipp stickers for the wheels. Could add £££s to that Planet-X.
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Old 25th November 2011   #2167
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^^^^^^^The one that doesn't say Highroad on it.
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Old 25th November 2011   #2168
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I reckon stickering up my deep section wheels will make them faster, based on the main players in this market- "Cabron Fibre" maybe?

I could prototype some text using a stick of chalk.
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Old 25th November 2011   #2169
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I reckon stickering up my deep section wheels will make them faster, based on the main players in this market- "Cabron Fibre" maybe?

I could prototype some text using a stick of chalk.
Write it in 'comic sans' please.
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Old 25th November 2011   #2170
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I'll see what I can mock up in MS Paint
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Old 25th November 2011   #2171
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brand them UTFS

so if anyone asks what wheels you just tell them to google for them
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Old 25th November 2011   #2172
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Sense, that makes none.
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Old 25th November 2011   #2173
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That scott is ugly
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Old 25th November 2011   #2174
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So I think I've chosen the Van Nicolas Yukon as my new audax/ road frame. My only concern is that my current audax has clearance for 28mm and guards whereas the Yukon only has room for 25mm and guards, is this going to make any difference in commuting/puncture resistance/loaded rack riding and audax?

This bike is going to be used for everything as I've sold my track bike and will be replacing my audax with this.

Lots of questions sorry for being a pita.
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Old 25th November 2011   #2175
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2x3mm.
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Old 26th November 2011   #2176
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7x9mm carbon rails
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Old 26th November 2011   #2177
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I must not get the Pinnacle, I must not get the Pinnacle, I must not get the Pinnacle...

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Old 26th November 2011   #2178
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Correct. You mustn't.
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Old 26th November 2011   #2179
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But it felt so good to ride! the lack of room for 32c tyres is a little off putting thankfully...
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Old 26th November 2011   #2180
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the lack of room for 60mm spacer stack is a little off putting thankfully...
I'm sure you could swap out the fork for one with a longer steerer.
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Old 26th November 2011   #2181
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So I think I've chosen the Van Nicolas Yukon as my new audax/ road frame. My only concern is that my current audax has clearance for 28mm and guards whereas the Yukon only has room for 25mm and guards, is this going to make any difference in commuting/puncture resistance/loaded rack riding and audax?

This bike is going to be used for everything as I've sold my track bike and will be replacing my audax with this.

Lots of questions sorry for being a pita.
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But it felt so good to ride! the lack of room for 32c tyres is a little off putting thankfully...
I posted a PSI calculator link on the bike-fit, useful links thread. If you punch in your weight + bike + load, and it tells you to run a massive PSI, then you want bigger tyres.

(A 23mm front, 25mm rear, combo gives me an ideal PSI of ~95 for both (92 Kg with bike). Which is a nice roadie PSI IMHO.)

Have a play with that.
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Old 26th November 2011   #2182
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I'm sure you could swap out the fork for one with a longer steerer.
Or braze on a head tube extension.
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Old 26th November 2011   #2183
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that planet-x is gopping. got to be one of the grimmest looking bikes released for quite a while.
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Old 29th November 2011   #2184
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Dura Ace 9000

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Old 29th November 2011   #2185
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Dibs
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Old 29th November 2011   #2186
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Next they'll be making groupsets that arent hideously ugly.
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Old 29th November 2011   #2187
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did not need to know about DA 9000

adubz is now on ignore
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Old 29th November 2011   #2188
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They're making a 52/36t chainset combo.

That could work pretty nicely I reckon.
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Old 29th November 2011   #2189
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one more step towards disc breaks and 135 rear spacing. Sigh
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Old 29th November 2011   #2190
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They're making a 52/36t chainset combo.

That could work pretty nicely I reckon.
With an 11-speed 11-25 cassette. 50/36 looks good.

I actually like the latest DA shifters. The shape looks business like, without ruining the look of the front of your bike. The leccy levers are a step back to looking shit though. I wonder which direction they will go in if they change the shape?
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Old 29th November 2011   #2191
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one more step towards disc breaks and 135 rear spacing. Sigh
135 rear spacing will be a must for discs.

The real question is how light will they be able to make rims with no braking surface.
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Old 29th November 2011   #2192
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The Di2 levers are way more comfy though.
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Old 29th November 2011   #2193
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who cares - I won't be able to afford it either way
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Old 29th November 2011   #2194
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Discussion on WW's: http://weightweenies.starbike.com/fo...=96804&start=0

Jokers removed the image (half tempted to post link to here).

They raise some interesting points.
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Old 29th November 2011   #2195
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post the image link
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Old 29th November 2011   #2196
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Interesting how they link the slightly larger cassette, with a move towards 2:1 lacing. I have both, and campag have been doing wheels with triplet lacing for donkeys years.

#smugbastard.
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Old 29th November 2011   #2197
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Someone else has posted the link to the twiter. Not sure why it matters. If it was really meant to be that secret it wouldn't have got out.

As with Campag, I'm not 100% what the point of 11-speed is. But if you can and it doesn't reduce the strength, reliability, or make it harder to use or service, why not. I'm just not sure how much something like this increases sales... but then I don't really know much about the workings of the bike sales market.

Hydro Disc STI's would be the big game changer imo.
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Old 29th November 2011   #2198
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As with Campag, I'm not 100% what the point of 11-speed is. But if you can and it doesn't reduce the strength, reliability, or make it harder to use or service, why not.
Just what I thought, surely 11 speed chains are going to be more fragile than 10spd same with the cassettes.
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Old 29th November 2011   #2199
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^ that question has arisen every upgrade since 7 speed. The point of more gears is closer spacing and therefore more time spent riding at the perfect effort and cadence.

You can get all the spread of gears you could ever want with an 11-28t – but the spacing is not brilliant even on 10speed.
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Old 29th November 2011   #2200
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Just what I thought, surely 11 speed chains are going to be more fragile than 10spd same with the cassettes.
The distance between the face plates is less. But the faceplates themselves, need'nt be thinner (see 3/32 vs 1/8 SS discussions everywhere).

The cassette sprockets are slightly narrower. But your using each one slightly less. So no difference there.

The real difference is indexing, which is more tricky.

As for wether you need it or not. That depends on the casstte you use. 11-23 users arent going to gain much, neither are 12-25 users. But if you actually use both the 11, and the 25. then 11 speed makes some sense. The same might be said to be true of wider range cassettes. But IMHO these contain jumps either way.

11,12,13,14,15,17,19,21,23,25

11,12,13,14,15,16,17,19,21,23,25

I would have rather have lost my 11t, than lose the 16t. But with a compact cassette, its sometimes nice to have the 11t for silly decents.
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