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Old 14th July 2013   #2251
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^anti depressants... More seriously alcohol is a big one.
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Old 14th July 2013   #2252
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^^ Snooker?? What are they on...?
Beta blockers, valium and other 'calming' drugs I would say.
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Old 15th July 2013   #2253
T-V
From his comments today, Brailsford seems prepared to go further by providing physiological data. I applaud that. Sky should embrace the challenge to prove they are clean, rather than being wary of it.
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Old 15th July 2013   #2254
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@inrng reporting that Tour of Turkey winner, Mustafa Sayer, has tested positive for EPO.

Hands up who didn't see that one coming?
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Old 15th July 2013   #2255
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shut the front door!
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Old 15th July 2013   #2256
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2 from 2!
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Old 15th July 2013   #2257
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EPO... is the modern, undetectable stuff that expensive?
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Old 15th July 2013   #2258
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Given what has happened with Turkish track and field athletes recently there are going to have to be some major changes if they are not, as a country, going to be banned from the next Olympics.
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Old 15th July 2013   #2259
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Beta blockers, valium and other 'calming' drugs I would say.
Do you have a source for the rugby ball shaped stats you quoted?
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Old 15th July 2013   #2260
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^ image url leads back to

http://www.ft.com/home/uk
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Old 15th July 2013   #2261
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Do you have a source for the rugby ball shaped stats you quoted?
Here's the page:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4de7de5c-1...#axzz2Z2cOpqxX
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Old 16th July 2013   #2262
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23312810

Computational Fluid Dynamics (CFD) & the search for Marginal Gains, in support of my theory that David Millar is stand up chap !
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Old 17th July 2013   #2263
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Gerard Vroomen expresses my thoughts exactly once again;

The positive positive
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Old 17th July 2013   #2264
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A good blog from Alex Simmons about why releasing power data would not really prove anything;

http://alex-cycle.blogspot.co.uk/201...opeometer.html
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Old 17th July 2013   #2265
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Chap on wattage made an interesting point I think, to go along with that article (thanks for posting that btw, interesting).

Anyway- the chap is a TTer who has always published his power data, much to his detriment in his view as his competitors can then see that they're putting out the same watts but he's faster- i.e. there must be something in his kit that they are missing, or vice versa- it shows them where to look for his competitive advantage, allowing them to catch up to him faster.

He also pointed out that if Froome published his data and he was only putting out say 5 W/kg then his Dogma would be getting pulled to bits metaphorically as everyone tried to work out what they'd done differently.

Of course Brailsfords offer to give their data to WADA removes the competitive aspect, if everyone trusts the data not to leak.
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Old 17th July 2013   #2266
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He's had ample time to doctor it anyway. There's no point now.
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Old 17th July 2013   #2267
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That's easy enough to design around in future though- get the SRM to generate a hash of the output file or something similar.
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Old 17th July 2013   #2269
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That's easy enough to design around in future though- get the SRM to generate a hash of the output file or something similar.
That's great but we're not talking about the future.

Logging power data for everyone for any kind of anti-doping is just silly anyway. It'd be easier to put them all in a hermetically sealed box with everything going into and out of the box being controlled. Race on turbos. Job done.
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Old 17th July 2013   #2270
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Of course we're talking about the future- this would all have to be proposed, teams agree, rules phrased etc etc.
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Old 17th July 2013   #2271
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The stages that had everyone frothing at the mouth about power data publishing have been and gone.
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Old 17th July 2013   #2272
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Yep, and it's obviously pointless producing "honest, this is the real thing" data for those, but it'd be (possibly) useful in future to submit that data to WADA to complement the biological passport.
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Old 17th July 2013   #2273
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i.e. rider has an FTP of 380 watts all season, then gurns their way through an hour at 470. What have they been doing the night before? Have their blood values gone a bit strange?

I guess it's about increasing the amount of circumstantial evidence, in a way.
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Old 17th July 2013   #2274
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I think WADA needs to spend more on testing tennis players, swimmers, golfers, basketballers.
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Old 17th July 2013   #2275
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Very true
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Old 17th July 2013   #2276
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And Laurens Ten Dam for rabies.
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Old 17th July 2013   #2277
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Hah!
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Old 17th July 2013   #2278
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And Laurens Ten Dam for rabies.
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Old 18th July 2013   #2280
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One question. Is is really credible that Sky have not done a VO2 max test on Froome?
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Old 18th July 2013   #2281
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Yes. It's an interesting, but apparently not important, metric. Not important as in, it's not important to know what value an individual has, obviously it's handy to have a large one.
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Old 19th July 2013   #2282
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I would have thought it might be something they'd do at their medical prior to signing their initial contract in order to gauge potential.
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Old 19th July 2013   #2283
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According to JV on twitter yesterday VO2 max is an outdated measurement. He said the tests he would conduct on contracting are power in conjunction with stable blood values.
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Old 19th July 2013   #2284
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Fair enough.

I thought that with marginal gains etc then every single aspect would have been looked at. After it's been measured, if there's no requirement for it, than I can understand discarding it. Oh well.
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Old 19th July 2013   #2285
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*le sigh*

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013...harges-cycling

They didn't really need to announce this during the Tour though.
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Old 20th July 2013   #2286
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*le sigh*

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013...harges-cycling

They didn't really need to announce this during the Tour though.
Doping is professionalized like the sport,
you pay people to keep you away from tracing.

You win and reap the rewards immediately.

Justice is on a longer timescale, it takes time but it's fair.

Looking back doping is ingrained in the sport,
why should we shy away from talking about it?
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Old 20th July 2013   #2287
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Rasmussen shitting in the soup:

http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=3007
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Old 20th July 2013   #2288
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Unfortunately the journalist is inept: he misquotes Armstrong as saying you cannot win the tour clean, when he actually said you could not have won it clean during his era, and bases pretty much the whole interview on that error.
He also fails to challenge Rasmussen when he says that "Armstrong never failed a drugs test". If there is a new era of cycling it would be nice it it was accompanied by a new era of journalism too.
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Old 23rd July 2013   #2289
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Here's your bingo card for tomorrows French senate report
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Old 23rd July 2013   #2290
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Pop quiz - which yellow jersey holder from that race announced their retirement yesterday?
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Old 23rd July 2013   #2292
wiganwill
That was the speculation on Cycling news yesterday. It will be sad if not surprising.
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Old 23rd July 2013   #2293
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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cas-...ere-not-doping

So let me get this straight: Kittel (allegedly) is accused of having blood removed, the blood is treated with 'black light' then is re-infused.

Surely this is no better than any other form of blood doping, such as infusions of fresh blood to pep up the rider mid race?

How has he got away with this?
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Old 23rd July 2013   #2294
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Because the 'treatment' wasn't illegal at the time he undertook it.

It's odd, and arguably a waste of time, but you can't bring a doping charge for something that hasn't been banned.
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Old 23rd July 2013   #2295
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He's still gone onto my 'cunts' list.
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Old 23rd July 2013   #2296
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Really? Maybe you should do some research on the matter and find his response to the allegations at the time they first arose, rather than jumping on the moral bandwagon now he's a 4 time Tour stage winner and suddenly in the public consciousness more.
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Old 23rd July 2013   #2297
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This is a good start;

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/11...ntil-2011.aspx
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Old 23rd July 2013   #2298
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Has anyone mentioned the new National 24h TT champ yet...who the hell is he and where did he come from? I wanna see power data.
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Old 23rd July 2013   #2299
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He's still gone onto my 'cunts' list.
Really? It was 5/6 years ago, he was 18, it was not banned, and it was part of the German olympic training programme (it seems). Your threshold for cunt is pretty low.
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Old 23rd July 2013   #2300
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Hippy is about as British as Chris Froome.
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