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Old 24th December 2010   #2901
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The warm up I understand, but season the groups with coffee? What's that about?
Get some coffee oils on the kit. Remove any Pulycaff cleaner, etc. I never drink the first shot post-cleaning.

Here's an ubergeek talking about it:
http://www.jimseven.com/2009/09/26/s...offee-machine/
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Old 24th December 2010   #2902
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Ha - Hippy's tweaked the machine like the ozzie hoon he is and I cannae handle the pressure - rinsed through 3 litres of milk getting me foaming technique right on the new machine, pretty pleased with the espressos i'm pulling tho
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Old 24th December 2010   #2903
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Even with the single-hole steam tip? Come on man, get it together! :P

Soapy water is cheaper than milk for practising btw. It took me quite a while to get the hang of it and it was damn near impossible with the 5-hole tip.
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Old 24th December 2010   #2904
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if either of you two perverts are selling a classic then let me know.
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Old 26th December 2010   #2905
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Has Bean xmas blend. Appreciated. :)
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Old 26th December 2010   #2906
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Has Bean xmas blend. Appreciated. :)

Mine didn't arrive before Christmas. Gutted.
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Old 26th December 2010   #2907
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Doh, will be worth wait when it arrives tho...
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Old 27th December 2010   #2908
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Is this a massive repost? Was looking through designs of polished concrete products, and other concrety stuff. Looks cool either way.
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Old 27th December 2010   #2909
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^Love this, shame it's a pony pod thingy. Nice design though.
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Old 27th December 2010   #2910
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Bloody hell, hippy's got a serious machine in his house.
But what the fuck is he doing with this shit:
http://i54.twitgoo.com/2i8fwvm.jpg
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Old 28th December 2010   #2911
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bombcup, what about this: http://twitgoo.com/1shxde :)

Rancilio S26 is doing well.. plumbed the fucker in on Xmas morning and it has been helping to heat my flat since..

S26 first coffee: http://twitgoo.com/1sfajk and http://twitgoo.com/1sfaiv
Its first espresso http://twitgoo.com/1shxdg

Thoughts:
It pours wonderfully. Even with old coffee, it looks like a Guinness being poured into espresso glasses.

Being plumbed in full-time is awesome. Definitely a fan of the setup although I'm not sure how much it costs to leave running 24hrs/day. Also I need to sort out either a drain-splitter (how do dish washer + washing machine combos work?) or just get a shorter drain hose and run into the sink. At the moment I have a long drain hose running into the sink which gets in the way.

The steam wand is a beast. 4-hole and only takes a few seconds to steam a 600ml jug of milk. I need much more practice using this. I would normally change it to a 1-hole but I like the faster steaming speed.

It's massive. It's red so it goes faster. It's awesome.
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Old 28th December 2010   #2912
RPM
Depending on what is already plumbed in under the sink, an appliance branch connector should do the trick.
Just be careful to make sure it doesn't allow a run of foul water from the sink back into any part of the coffee machine's outlet or that could cause a stink.

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Old 28th December 2010   #2913
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^ That's what's there already. I need it x 2.

This pic: http://i52.twitgoo.com/21m7m82.jpg

That's the washing machine drain but I need to add the coffee machine drain too.
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Old 28th December 2010   #2914
RPM


get rid of the original fitting, I don't like those ones that connect without a decent fall, a full sink emptying can sometimes back up and let some into the appliance waste, causing a smell in your w/m or d/w.

You can get telescopic versions of the one I pictured, so you can avoid cutting the existing waste pipe (hopefully)
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Old 28th December 2010   #2915
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See, that ^^ is exactly what I wanted but no one could even tell me if they existed. Fucking Ealing plumber morons. Thanks. I'll see what I can find.
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Old 28th December 2010   #2916
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So, by telescopic, you mean the vertical part of the pipe? So it could slot in to where the current one is? That would be very nice.
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Old 28th December 2010   #2917
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Remember to check and take out the blanking plate they sometimes come with, to avoid a mishap!

Yes, the telescopic bit is the bit just under the two inlets, it changes the height between where the sink waste connects and your 40mm waste pipe outlet (the grey pipe) That pic could even be a telescopic one, probably is.
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Old 28th December 2010   #2918
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40mm Double Nozzle Washing Machine Utility P Trap
Adjustable inlet

WRAS Approved Product

Approved UKAS Quality Management

BBA approved

BSI Registered
IPHE Industrial Associate

Conformed to BS EN ISO9001:2000


BS EN 12056-2: 2000 requires that traps discharge to a soil stack have a 75mm seal. However other water seal depths can be installed:-

50mm Water Seal - can be fitted to baths, shower trays and basins with spray taps and no plugs.

38mm Water Seal - can be used on ground floor's when connecting to flat bottomed appliances that discharge to a back inlet gully.

All traps have a 75mm Water Seal unless an alternative is stated.

http://www.tradingdepot.co.uk/DEF/pr...ity%20P%20Trap

Is it the water seal bit that specifies the height?
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Old 28th December 2010   #2919
RPM
No.
Don't worry about the BS stuff, everything on sale usually conforms without issue, the 75mm bit is the amount of water that gets held in the trap.

They all vary a bit, local wickes/b&q/homebase should all have something to do the job.

They key issue is the distance betwixt sink waste and waste outlet pipe, the size of the trap underneath is largely irrelevant.
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Old 28th December 2010   #2920
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bombcup, what about this: http://twitgoo.com/1shxde :)

Rancilio S26 is doing well.. plumbed the fucker in on Xmas morning and it has been helping to heat my flat since..

S26 first coffee: http://twitgoo.com/1sfajk and http://twitgoo.com/1sfaiv
Its first espresso http://twitgoo.com/1shxdg

Thoughts:
It pours wonderfully. Even with old coffee, it looks like a Guinness being poured into espresso glasses...
Looking real fancy Hippy. Milk looks real nice and compact, just needs a little less stretching and a little more spinning to keep the foam and milk together. You'd be surprised how little stretching you need on a full bore commercial, maybe around 5 seconds.

I don't think there's much between leaving the machine on the whole time and starting it up from cold once or twice a day, and leaving it on is better for the machine. There's just the thought of a seal failing while you're out to get over.

Last edited by bombcup; 28th December 2010 at 18:55.
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Old 29th December 2010   #2921
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That was the first one I'd done since plumbing it in. I've since got better with the milk but I'm still not 100% (and probably never will be, but I can try). I'm back to using the thermometer again since it heats up so fast I don't want to totally kill the milk.

Which seals are you talking about? Are there any more likely to fail than others? It's all press-fit stuff which worries me but it seems to hold ok so far.
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Old 29th December 2010   #2922
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I'm just pulling your leg really, but I have heard of people returning home to find their kitchen flooded because one of the myriad o-rings or fittings has let go inside the machine. You don't need to worry about your plumbing fittings, if they let go it doesn't matter whether the machine is on or not.

Shouldn't have mentioned it, there's no more risk than leaving your central heating boiler running and nobody ever gives that a second thought.
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Old 29th December 2010   #2923
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The plumbing is shit in our kitchen anyway.. insurance refit ftw.. ;)
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Old 30th December 2010   #2924
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http://www.openxtra.co.uk/p/usb-net-power-8800uk

Power-on the machine from my phone?
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Old 30th December 2010   #2925
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Hippy lovin that set up! Is there a difference in the consistency of the coffee itself? Creme looks lovely. yum more coffee needed.
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Old 30th December 2010   #2926
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I was surprised at how nice the shots poured, even using old beans.
It must be the machine since I am still a gumby at consistency.. maybe if I worked in a cafe..
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Old 30th December 2010   #2927
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Yeah guess its the little tweaks from tamping to quantity of coffee etc.

How much did the machine set you back?
[well jealous]
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Old 30th December 2010   #2928
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£360 I think it was plus transport costs ~50, plus filter setup ~£150
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Old 30th December 2010   #2929
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looking for a new grinder - If anyone's got a mazzer they want to let go for 50 notes…

:^]

looks wistfully to stars
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Old 30th December 2010   #2930
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http://www.openxtra.co.uk/p/usb-net-power-8800uk

Power-on the machine from my phone?
Or you could use a simple timer socket.
But that idea is well tech
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Old 30th December 2010   #2931
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Had awesome coffee in Notes on St Martins Lane, SM natural process El Salvador done on a cloth filter. Real painstaking preparation turned out a delicious brew. Nice place to sit too, they got the new bells and whistles Marzocco but I don't really get the espresso.
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Old 31st December 2010   #2932
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Or you could use a simple timer socket.
But that idea is well tech
I already do that. I want to click GO an have something make noise elsewhere....
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Old 31st December 2010   #2933
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Had awesome coffee in Notes on St Martins Lane, SM natural process El Salvador done on a cloth filter. Real painstaking preparation turned out a delicious brew. Nice place to sit too, they got the new bells and whistles Marzocco but I don't really get the espresso.
Pretty please visit Ealing... I will dose you on coffee and stuff you teach me.. I buy you food and then kick you home... go on.. do it.. :)
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Old 31st December 2010   #2934
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Database error trying to open this thread for the last ten minutes. Did someone break the coffee thread...


Found this in my parents' garage:




Opened it up, cleaned the shit out, and have just had my first cup - variable grind switch on the back is a little primitive in that you just tighten or loosen depending on how you want it (seems to come a little loose as you grind unless it's V. tight - but otherwise a pretty good find I'd say.

Unfortunately the bracket underneath to affix it to a table/work top is sheared off. My fault, I was tightening and grinding at the same time (but that said there's a line of rust where it split so I doubt it would have lasted too long under normal strain. A quick welding job I think, or use the wall mounts, assuming I can find a suitable piece of wall to drill into.
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Old 31st December 2010   #2935
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or just gclamp it. or fix to wood then fix wood to wall or similar...
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Old 31st December 2010   #2936
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Fixing to wood/wall is still going to require some sort of wall destruction, however mild, which, in a rented property I'll try to avoid. Actually, fuck it, it's not the rented nature of the place, it's the 1cm thick corkboard walls. If I cranked the handle once, my hovel would fall down around me.

As for a G-Clamp. Logic smogic.
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Old 31st December 2010   #2937
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Pretty please visit Ealing... I will dose you on coffee and stuff you teach me.. I buy you food and then kick you home... go on.. do it.. :)
you fucking whore.
(quite happy about my first post of the day)
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Old 31st December 2010   #2938
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looking for a new grinder - If anyone's got a mazzer they want to let go for 50 notes…

:^]

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Ascaso I-mini.



Bit more than 50 notes, and the dosing is a bit hit & miss, but the overall height is less than the Gaggia Classic, which means it doesn't take up too much room.
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Old 31st December 2010   #2939
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My old man is in the market for a new machine, is the Gaggia Classic still the best bet for around 200 quid?
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Old 31st December 2010   #2940
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Bill was that a suggestion or you have one for sale?
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Old 31st December 2010   #2941
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Bill was that a suggestion or you have one for sale?
Suggestion, we got one, but we're not selling it!
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Old 31st December 2010   #2942
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i'm hopefully getting one this week. can't decide if it's worth paying extra for the i-steel or to just get the alloy or even cheaper black one.
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Old 31st December 2010   #2943
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My old man is in the market for a new machine, is the Gaggia Classic still the best bet for around 200 quid?
We love our Gaggia Classic! Drawbacks are that you have to take the overflow pipe off to get the water tank out, which means taking the top off as well. Not a major problem, but a little irritating. Also the steam wand is a little under-powered.
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Old 31st December 2010   #2944
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i'm hopefully getting one this week. can't decide if it's worth paying extra for the i-steel or to just get the alloy or even cheaper black one.
The steel looks nice, and matches our machine.
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Old 31st December 2010   #2945
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Thank you kindly, I'll put it forward to jaw snr. He deserves a decent machine, he's got a Nespresso for when he's lazy and the Francis Francis is on it's last legs after 6 years of abuse.
I'd really like to get him a Rancilio Silvia, but need to win the lottery first, so the Gaggia might be a good halfway house.
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Old 31st December 2010   #2946
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The Gaggia classic is a great machine for home, give the cubika a skip tho!
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Old 31st December 2010   #2947
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the grinder that Bill posted is great for the gaggia as is the dualit.

Neither grind fine enough for larger machines with higher pressure though. [Coffee ground for a 28 second pour on Hippys Bezzera would give you about 1/4 of an espresso in the same time on Gaggia classic]

The options seem to be [thanks bombcup]

2nd hand Mazzer mini [about £170 on the bay don't come up that often]



Rancilio Rocky non doser [about £230 new]



or an Iberital MC2 [£110 new]

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Old 31st December 2010   #2948
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We love our Gaggia Classic! Drawbacks are that you have to take the overflow pipe off to get the water tank out, which means taking the top off as well. Not a major problem, but a little irritating. Also the steam wand is a little under-powered.
i'm confused?
if you remove the long metal rod (it just pulls out of the grommet) then the tank just slides forward.
i just cleaned mine as there was a tide mark, have one of those filters on the end of the water feed and still managed to remove the tank.
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Old 31st December 2010   #2949
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Pretty please visit Ealing... I will dose you on coffee and stuff you teach me.. I buy you food and then kick you home... go on.. do it.. :)
I'd love to do a coffee thread group training session covering espresso and brewing but I'm not going to be able to do it at work. Only way would be to come to Northampton on a saturday.
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Old 31st December 2010   #2950
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i'm confused?
if you remove the long metal rod (it just pulls out of the grommet) then the tank just slides forward.
i just cleaned mine as there was a tide mark, have one of those filters on the end of the water feed and still managed to remove the tank.
Ah. I never worked that out. Derr.
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