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Old 21st February 2008   #1
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Folding Cycles and their Rider Weight Limits

If anybody ever wondered if a folder is for you, then here is the weight limits at least, for those who wish to know it.


AIRNIMAL JOEY http://www.foldingbikes.co.uk/airnimal_joey.htm
Max Rider Weight – 102kgs/225lbs;
AIRNIMAL CHAMELEON FIXIE [special order] http://www.airnimal.eu/News/Home.php
Max Rider Weight – 102kgs/225lbs;
AIRNIMAL RHINO http://www.airnimalfoldingbikes.com/RhinoStreet.php (Single-Speed!)
Max Rider Weight – 109kgs/240lbs;
BIKE FRIDAY http://www.foldingbikes.co.uk/bf_road.htm
Max Rider Weight – 100kgs/220lbs, or 118kgs/260lbs heavy rider option;
BIRDY http://www.en.r-m.de/products/produc...ltgenie/birdy/
Max Rider Weight – 111kgs/245lbs (incl. luggage);
BROMPTON http://www.brompton.co.uk/content.asp?p=3&l=1
Max Rider Weight - 110kgs/242lbs [plus extra 20kgs/44lbs of luggage only; NOT EXTRA RIDER WEIGHT]
DAHON Mu Uno http://www.dahon.com/bikes/2010/mu-uno
Max Rider Weight – 105kgs/230lbs;
KANSI 1twenty http://www.foldingbikes.co.uk/kansi_...white_grey.htm
Max Rider Weight - 101kgs/223lbs; [inclusive of luggage/baggage]
MEZZO http://www.mezzobikes.com/spec.htm
Max Rider Weight – 110kgs/242lbs (incl. luggage);
MONTAGU Boston (Swissbike) http://www.montaguebikes.com/boston-...peed-bike.html
Max Rider Weight - 105kgs/230lbs
MOULTON http://www.foldingbikes.co.uk/moulto...off_fbspec.htm
Max Rider Weight – 101kgs/224lbs
PACIFIC CYCLES REACH http://www.foldingbikes.co.uk/pacific_reach.htm;
http://lightenupbikes.com/pacific-cy...per-light.aspx; http://www.pacific-cycles.com/;
Max Rider Weight – 110kgs/242lbs (incl. luggage);
XOOTR SWIFT http://www.foldingbikes.co.uk/xootr_swift.htm
Max Rider Weight - 118kgs/260lbs
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Old 21st February 2008   #2
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EDIT (07-April-09): Xootr also has a higher max rider weight than most others.

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Old 21st February 2008   #3
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The Dahon can barely take that weight.

Mate of mine had one break on him.

Helluva mess....

Bear in mind that CampagNOlo only warranty their kit up to a rider weight of 80kg.

Which is (a) shite and (b) why I boycott their flimsy Italian crap.
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Old 22nd February 2008   #4
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GrandeAnse2Grenville:
MOULTON http://www.foldingbikes.co.uk/moulton_tsr_rohloff_fbspec.htm
Max Rider Weight 101kgs/224lbs;
Re. the Moulton, Pashley apparently state in the TSR manual

"Whilst any bicycle weight limit is, due to variation in riding styles
and usage patterns, somewhat arbitrary, we are legally obliged to state
a limit.
All TSR models: Maximum permissible total weight (rider + luggage) =
120kg".

I don't know if that helps you at all...?
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Old 29th September 2008   #5
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Spotted this on Wiggle, has a sturney acrher 5-speed hub. Could it be converted to a Fixed, Five-speed, Foldable?
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Old 29th September 2008   #6
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its been done
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Old 29th September 2008   #7
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If anybody ever wondered if a folder is for you, then here is the weight limits at least, for the lardy, like me. I couldn't get info on Brompton,
Saw a portly gent (app 17st) on a Brompton this fair morn. Looked like a seatpost fail waiting to happen.
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Old 29th September 2008   #8
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Brompton have finally posted weight limits.

110kgs/242lbs/17st 4lbs is the rider maximum weight, for which the seatpost is designed.

The frame can carry another 20kgs as pannier luggage, but not added to the weight borne by the seatpost.
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Old 29th September 2008   #9
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Brompton have finally posted weight limits.

110kgs/242lbs/17st 4lbs is the rider maximum weight, for which the seatpost is designed.

The frame can carry another 20kgs as pannier luggage, but not added to the weight borne by the seatpost.
Ah bugger and I really wanted a Brompton!
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Old 29th September 2008   #10
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Saw a portly gent (app 17st) on a Brompton this fair morn. Looked like a seatpost fail waiting to happen.
Yeah, sorry about that :S
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Old 29th September 2008   #11
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its been done
That rocks!
Is that the original hub? If so how is it fixed?
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Old 29th September 2008   #12
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Ah bugger and I really wanted a Brompton!
I've got a goal to lose enough weight, so that I can get a single speed Moulton (or similar), but at the moment, there is NO folding cycle that will accomodate me. A work in progress.
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Old 29th September 2008   #13
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Bear in mind that CampagNOlo only warranty their kit up to a rider weight of 80kg.

Which is (a) shite and (b) why I boycott their flimsy Italian crap.
wow, I never knew that.

Thank God I can't afford campagnolo at the moment.
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Old 29th September 2008   #14
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The rear wheel is a White Industries eliptical hub on a BMX road rim

it works pretty well I am just waiting to bang it up a bit before I attack it with a grinder and remove all the old braise ons
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Old 7th April 2009   #15
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I'd like to thank Steve at Xootr for his kind assistance. Much appreciated.

Quote:
Re: Xootr Swift - Weight Limit
Monday, 6 April, 2009 4:06 PM
From:
"Steve K______" <S____@xootr.com>
To:
"Ashley" <ashley_____@yahoo.co.uk>
Hi Ashley,
260 lbs.
Best,
Steve

Ashley wrote:
To whom it may concern;
Hi, I'm trying to find out the weight limit of the Xootr SWIFT bicycle.
I provide some of the resources on a singlespeed cycle forum. One thread in particular, concerns weight limits of folding bikes.
Please go here to see the relative thread. Could anyone provide me with this information - the maximum weight limit for this bike?
Thank you very much in advance for any help that you can give,

Best regards
Ashley [GA2G]
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Old 6th May 2009   #16
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Noticed a couple of singlespeed folders on wiggle. Not so taken by the Cadenza Solo, but the Mu Uno is a nice looking little folder.
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Da...09/5360042687/
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Da...09/5360042679/
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Old 7th May 2009   #17
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I've seen plenty of those Cadenzas (well, geared ones) on the train and TBH then look like they could fold any minute, be it the folded verson or not.
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Old 7th May 2009   #18
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I'm all over the Cadenza Solo at the moment. So please don't piss on my pipe dream fire ;)

Just need to find it available as a F&F only.
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Old 7th May 2009   #19
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Anyone have pics of how they fold? There are other bikes which look like this (Giant???) I think which don't fold too??
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Old 7th May 2009   #20
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The cadenza looks like a good ride for a folder and folds down small. I just love the silly small wheels/ huge chainring combo on the Mu. You could show off, and impress the ladies, by posting that you ride 54:14 on our numerous gear ratio threads (with 20" wheels thats still only 77GI).

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Old 7th May 2009   #21
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It may look small folded down in a photo, but trust me, it's not small in real life.

Plus the stupid little stand doesn't work too well on a bouncy train. Seen a fair few tip over.

Sorry Smallfurry!
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Old 7th May 2009   #22
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I love the Uno - just too expensive
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Old 7th May 2009   #23
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It may look small folded down in a photo, but trust me, it's not small in real life.

Plus the stupid little stand doesn't work too well on a bouncy train. Seen a fair few tip over.

Sorry Smallfurry!
TBH I'm not in the market for one. I just spotted that Dahon is moving more into the SS market.

I'd be more interested in an Airnimal Rhino to put in the boot for family camping/cabin trips. So I can nip out and enjoy some off-road fun*.

This one has a Rolhoff 14 speed hub, fox rear sus, and rock shox sid race front sus. It has a RRP of 2.4K though :(

I'd probably go for a singlespeed version of the above. The frames now come with sliding drop-outs, so the tensioner is no longer needed.

(* Yet another of my 'why I need another bike' musings)

[ED: Apols for posting this bike for possibly the third time on this forum. If someone buys me one I'll stop ;) ]
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Old 7th May 2009   #24
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The Dahon can barely take that weight.

Mate of mine had one break on him.

Helluva mess....
Ouch!

Mine's been a mix. Got a Cadenza - the full-size folder, which is built to be like a street bike, with 2x8 gears. Frame hinge creaks a little but always has. The big problem has been the rear wheel - it came single cross on the drive side and straight spokes on the non-drive side. I've busted loads of the spokes. Need it stripped and rebuilt as a triple-cross or something. Or maybe buy some super-strong spokes like those bladed sort maybe. Shrug. I don't live in Chesham anymore, so I don't need it for the next year or two. Hello eBay, goodbye Dahon.
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Old 7th May 2009   #25
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The cadenza looks like a good ride for a folder and folds down small.
It doesn't really. Unless you want to get the allen keys out every time you get on a train, to twistify the headstock or take it off altogether, it folds to about the size of a double push-chair. Given how flimsy, ahem, I mean how *lightweight* most of the components on it are, I'd worry about thread stripping etc.

BUT...

If you do a commute where there aren't too many people to get in the way of and you don't mind a compromise of a bike (it *looks* a bit like a street bike, it just isn't quite man enough for the job) then it's ok. I wouldn't *recommend* one to other people, except for very specific journeys. But I wouldn't slate it too badly either. Mine's had getting on for a couple of thousand road miles I reckon, so it can't be THAT bad.

Trouble is, if you're big, the one-size-doesn't-really-fit-all geometry starts to take its toll. About ten miles is my limit for riding on it. Mine gave me terrible trouble with numb-cock after a few miles and stuff like that. Plus I end up with my shoulders dead in line with the front forks, so instead of bumps causing my arms to go up and down slightly, it thumps straight up my arms and into my shoulders. Gave me a partial dislocation (my medical friend informs me it's called a "subluxation") of one shoulder, until I realised what the problem and just rode it less.

If you want to sling something on a train, get near town, jump off and put a few miles down, it's good. But don't be tall or heavy, or on a busy train.
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Old 7th May 2009   #26
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jesus, why? WHY???!!!

okay i guess can sort of see the point of a folding bike if you're, like, a suit and you want to ride your bike from your fancy house in the suburbs to the train that will take you to your cityboy job in liverpool street. but for a serious cyclist?
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Old 7th May 2009   #27
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teddy, maybe I see what you say on most of these folders, but the Moulton IS for serious cyclists.

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Old 7th May 2009   #28
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jesus, why? WHY???!!!

okay i guess can sort of see the point of a folding bike if you're, like, a suit and you want to ride your bike from your fancy house in the suburbs to the train that will take you to your cityboy job in liverpool street. but for a serious cyclist?
Because...

I live in Northampton and work in London, usually 4-5 days a week. Bikes on train rules are arriving in London before 7am and leaving London after 7pm; on anything except folding bikes which are allowed all of the time.

So at the moment it's either the tube or the 06:42 in the morning (only train with bike compartment the whole day!); and earliest train back the 19:13 in the evening.

That be why :)

p.s. I'm not a suit and don't work in Liverpool St, that's Hippy!
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Old 7th May 2009   #29
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jesus, why? WHY???!!!

okay i guess can sort of see the point of a folding bike if you're, like, a suit and you want to ride your bike from your fancy house in the suburbs to the train that will take you to your cityboy job in liverpool street. but for a serious cyclist?
-

lots of us 'serious' cyclists run 6-7 bikes, they all do different stuff, aint no big deal, my Birdy c2w is now running lovely as a s/s 72" gear, 15-20 mile working days are perfect for it with a train journey thrown in here and there, peak time if I need to.
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Old 8th May 2009   #30
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For me its the increased chance on taking one on trips to the mountains etc. While carrying all the stuff the kids need.

I can see it now...
"what do you mean theres no room for the full sus ATB? Dump the pram and we'll make one of those new age baby carrier things out of the car blanket, and that center seat belt we never use, when we get there."

@Archi Pelago. Bet you've become a proper cityboy really ;)

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Old 8th May 2009   #31
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I heard that Brompton race held in the city saw some blistering speeds........
its not the bike that makes a race winner--its the rider.
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Old 8th May 2009   #32
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Suit and pink socks FTW!
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Old 8th May 2009   #33
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@Archi Pelago. Bet you've become a proper cityboy really ;)
Ssshhhh, don't tell anyone...
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Old 8th May 2009   #34
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jesus, why? WHY???!!!

okay i guess can sort of see the point of a folding bike if you're, like, a suit and you want to ride your bike from your fancy house in the suburbs to the train that will take you to your cityboy job in liverpool street. but for a serious cyclist?
Cos I used to live in Chesham and worked in Euston, with trips in the middle of the day to Holborn, Cannon St, on to my girlfriend's at Watford, back to Holborn/Euston the next morning and back home to Chesham the following night. All done on a bicycle, total of probably 130 miles in 2 days. I'm not a cycle courier - that'd all be on top of doing my day-job. I may enjoy cycling but that's more time in the saddle than I had enough spare life to afford.

To an extent, that's true these days. Have friends in Hillingdon and I work in Surrey. You can't take bikes on the tube. What am I to do?

I agree that these bikes aren't for the serious cyclist. But there are times when you're in Place A and Place B you have to get to is too far to cycle and there are restrictions on the train that is between you and there. If it's a choice between a second class ride and a first class walk, I'll compromise on the second class ride.

Besides, riding rubbish bikes makes you appreciate your good bike when you get home again. ;-)
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Old 8th May 2009   #35
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They don't have to be 2nd rate and cost the earth, every year they are getting better and better. With tire and wheel technology light years ahead of what it was 15 years ago for small wheels they really can compete with the 27''ers.
I look forward to the day when they are under 16lbs. and affordable.
If you commute they pay for themselves in no time too.
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Old 8th May 2009   #36
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funny, surely the 'serious' cyclist is one who is prepared to go to the effort of getting a bike sorted for every occasion he/she needs to get somewhere?.
There were loads of 'serious' cyclists out last sunday on I.o.W, all kitted out, 3 grand bikes, weekend warriors,
and slow and unfit as fuck when we went flying past them uphill fixed -lol
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Old 9th May 2009   #37
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Try this type, 72"ftw, 100psi big apple ftr, risers ftf, enough tlas, sweet town ride
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Old 10th May 2009   #38
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Ritchey Break Away FTW.
Bike, Case (700x700x250mm), all my cycling gear (tools, tubes, shoes, helmet etc.) = 10% of my (125kg) bodyweight.
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Old 10th May 2009   #39
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Although I like this as a town-bike, I think I may save up for a Xootr, due to the larger rider weight limit.

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Old 10th May 2009   #40
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Ritchey Break Away FTW.
Bike, Case (700x700x250mm), all my cycling gear (tools, tubes, shoes, helmet etc.) = 10% of my (125kg) bodyweight.
Velomancer, that Ritchey Breakaway is very tempting. Looks good too.


EDIT:
But what really floats my boat, is the Moulton 50 - all sold out now though, as it was a special edition.




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Old 17th February 2010   #41
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New kid on the block. The MONTAGU Boston (fg/ss) bike.


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Old 29th May 2010   #42
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It doesn't really. Unless you want to get the allen keys out every time you get on a train, to twistify the headstock or take it off altogether, it folds to about the size of a double push-chair. Given how flimsy, ahem, I mean how *lightweight* most of the components on it are, I'd worry about thread stripping etc.

BUT...

If you do a commute where there aren't too many people to get in the way of and you don't mind a compromise of a bike (it *looks* a bit like a street bike, it just isn't quite man enough for the job) then it's ok. I wouldn't *recommend* one to other people, except for very specific journeys. But I wouldn't slate it too badly either. Mine's had getting on for a couple of thousand road miles I reckon, so it can't be THAT bad.

Trouble is, if you're big, the one-size-doesn't-really-fit-all geometry starts to take its toll. About ten miles is my limit for riding on it. Mine gave me terrible trouble with numb-cock after a few miles and stuff like that. Plus I end up with my shoulders dead in line with the front forks, so instead of bumps causing my arms to go up and down slightly, it thumps straight up my arms and into my shoulders. Gave me a partial dislocation (my medical friend informs me it's called a "subluxation") of one shoulder, until I realised what the problem and just rode it less.

If you want to sling something on a train, get near town, jump off and put a few miles down, it's good. But don't be tall or heavy, or on a busy train.
I have one.



I chose it for four reasons:

1. it folds (I don't care how small, it's a loophole in the peak train restrictions thing)
2. it rides like a large wheeled bike (since it is one!)
3. it has the wherewithal ( eccentic BB) to run fixed
4. it was cheaper than other options (<400 quid)

The components aren't overly bad, but, as you'd expect on a bike at this price point, the wheels are fairly basic components, and not well built. The first thing I did once I got it home was to put more tension in the spokes and true the wheels. (Oh, and set the brakes up - don't know whether Evans or Dahon was to blame for the initial setup, but having the front V-brake with the spacers the wrong way round and the front brake cable done extra real tight since they'd set it up with the brake quick release off on the lever!).

If you accept those shortcomings, I reckon it's a good buy.

Unless you expect the fold to be small.

It isn't.

I didn't.

My expectation of the fold was that it was a fold (and, not surprisingly) it was.

I'm surprised a bit at the harsh ride/coudlnt; ride it very far etc. comments I've read here and elsewhere.

Mudguard fettling is a pain in the arse, but IMHO, essential on a commuter.

Now I just need to tweak the chainline a bit.

I don't find the allen key any problem - apart from the one time it fell to the bottom of my bag when I was in a hurry and I wondered if I'd lost it :-/ ... in future I'm going to carry an extra one on the pannier I carry to/from work just in case.

As has been mentioned in other reviews, it's not always going to stand upright on a wobbly train, without further help, but, to be honest, a 50p bungee cord fixes that so I don't really see a problem there.

For me, all I see are positives. I don't have to sardine my way onto the central line at rush hour between liverpool street and holborn. I arrive at work earlier. I get less stressed in the process. I got an easy start into the world of fixed-gear riding. I can do evening rides straight from work starting anywhere between London and Deepest Essex. (Edit: and I always get a seat! :) )

I haven't owned it long enough to comment on the hardiness of components, an whilst it took me a while to get over the weird look of the cowhorn/TT handlebar/brake lever combo, in the end I'm quite glad it's that way arranged since I can put traditional drops on it and re-use the same levers.

In terms of fit, I'm 5'9", and usually ride a 54cm (sorry - mixed units!) Felt road bike. The Dahon Cadenza Solo in "M" size fits nicely, although there's only about an inch and a half left on the seat post. The fore/aft position feels good (very good in fact - I feel positively time-triallist like on my commute :))

I did take advice from a friend who also has one and has run it for a while (he had a brommie before that as well) who recommended it, but also told me to look out for the montague.

I decided against looking more into the montague since its fold apparently precludes a rack.

horses for courses!

I'm seriously considering changing my Dun Run plans and doing it fixed on the Dahon instead of on my Globe City now!

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Old 29th May 2010   #43
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Good review
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Old 29th May 2010   #44
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I've just bought a Rudge-Montague Bi-Frame.

It's great. Just like a normal bike. Very long wheelbase, though; feels like an eighties mountain bike.

If my life was very different and I had more than 10p to my name, I'd have a Moulton. So comfortable, and so effortless.

As a bike nerd, I love the idea of a small wheeler that could leave a 5000 road bike for dead.
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Old 29th May 2010   #45
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i have the dahon cadenza solo, but to quote you, "If my life was very different and I had more than 10p to my name, I'd have a"...

If I was to finish that sentence, it would probably by " fixed or fix-able drop bar Airnimal"
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Old 12th August 2010   #46
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Finally heard from Pacific Cycles, and got their rider weight limit.

Its only taken me 2 and a half years.


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Old 12th August 2010   #47
1234
^ i lol'ed
wheres the raleigh twenty on your list
granted i dont know the weight and its not a new bike but its still a folder and if its good enough for a cycling god ( aka sheldon brown) its good enough for everyone
http://sheldonbrown.org/raleigh-twen...r20folderfixed
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Old 12th August 2010   #48
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^ i lol'ed
wheres the raleigh twenty on your list
granted i dont know the weight and its not a new bike but its still a folder and if its good enough for a cycling god ( aka sheldon brown) its good enough for everyone

Its not about the weight of the bike, but the weight allowed ON the bike.......thats for rider, and also luggage.

Reading fail.



And Sheldon Brown wasn't correct about everything cycle-related. He was 100% wrong about cycle security, as is EASILY proved.
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Old 12th August 2010   #49
1234
tis what i meant
not a reading fail more of a wording fail
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Old 12th August 2010   #50
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