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if too much just one day, do it in two, but no a couple of weeks that's too long

i'm not shit talking, just quoting for posterity. posterity means it goes on the poster right todd?

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+100

ps. see you suckas at the worlds

one day
one chance

Rik do you mean poll rather than pool, ie put it to a vote?

And jusy out of interest, was there registration for the qualifying?

We already know that the one day, one chance thing doesn't work. It upset a lot of people last year (and excluded conos, BAD, and almost BR), but we had to do it because of lack of time. This year you have time. Surely we won't make the same choice that didn't work last year for this year?!?

Plus, while I agree that the "epic tourney" would be fun to watch, that's not what a qualifiers should be about, They should be about qualifying the best people we have to offer in the best way possible.

Also, surely teams can keep registering till we know what we're doing, and then, depending on that decision, until another set date with lots of notice.There's no reason for any deadline right now.

No, we had a deadline to register by the 20th, and our allocation for the euros is based on those registered. If we add more teams now, it's not fair to the teams that pulled their fingers out and registered in time.

A round robin tournament was what i was thinking of, it's the fairest approach, we could spread it over a few weekends, but it will take some serious organising to make sure everyone plays everyone. Every team would need to be there (i guess) 2 days out of 3. If we go for this approach, we're almost creating another league. I see this kind of option being hugely impractical, travelling all over for games, and all the games (12 games per team) having to be played in a week or two. It's too much.

Peronally, I would much rather have a 1 day round robin tourney, we all get there early, play until we're done. That's it.

I'll set up a poll soon to decide what type of qualification system we have.

Options so far
1. 1 day, round robin
2. 2 day, round robin
3. 3 day, round robin (mini league really)
4. highest bidders

£20

way too hot for me... im out.

Seems like BR missed the dead line... I cant think of another team that would be interested in the euros from London. I think they should be added to the list.

Just saw your bold edit... is this set in stone?

that's how GVA decided. it's only fair. the list was up there for a week, and listed on the polo forum *forum24 as a thread and an announcement, plenty of time to get on it.

Zombie, you will need to choose 3 team members only:

I asked GVA about 4 player teams, as I noticed on the list you'd listed all 4 players. By the time we register (and assuming you qualify), you will need to provide 3 names only. And I think it's only fair that you use the 3 people you used in the qualifying tournament (whatever form it takes)

I fear that getting teams to commit to a solid week of polo will be harder than getting people to commit to a one/two day tourney.

Pick a date, find out if most teams can make it, go from there..?

Teams that couldn't attend could possibly play all other London teams within a two week period as some sort of extension of the main tourney?

agreed.

what about those people who work weekends? not everyone is 9-5!

good point sarah.

How about a whole weekend tourney?

I just think it would be good to get it done in a short space of time. If someone can't make saturday, can't they play sunday? can't they get a day off work? We will have 2+ months notice of when the tourney is.

Is there a better way of doing it? Get ideas down here, and we'll put a Poll together based on these ideas.

I think the general consensus is that we should hold a tournament/mini league to determine the best teams to go, but are we taking one step ahead already? I think Iain is trying to say is it necessarily the best teams that should represent London? or do we send new teams? teams that couldn't represent London in Karlshrue? Teams that didn't play last year? A West London team? A team with kids in (emmet?!!) dare i say it but a girls team!.. vote for the 4 teams?

I personally think we should send our top teams determined by a mini league (spread over two fixed weekdays and fixed weekend days?) - we do have time!

Best of the best should go to the Euros. Exhibition polo is different to competitive polo.

Surely you'd have to play all teams, would it work spread over both days?

(I'm guessing some teams would be present for both allowing other less flexible teams to play their games in one day?)

The original idea of the Euros (way back now) was that the top teams would compete for the title, when it came to the EHBPC2009, there wasn't a way to get the whole of europe to qualify, and there still isn't, so it's still city by city, but each city should at least send the best they have.

@Hops; yeah, multiple weekends is feasible, we'll have to have a pretty robust timetable to make sure it all works out.

I could do with some volunteers to help manage this nearer the time.

@jono, yes everyone wanting to qualify has to play everyone else wanting to qualify. that just the fairest system, end of.

Yes Todd! Ooo the drama

In reference to people not being able to make a fixed day for the qualifiers. I think this is kinda silly, The Euros will happen over 2 days, what if you can't get that weekend off?

not at all. if you work weekends/ shifts, you still have a set amount of holiday days.

lets try and accommodate everyone!

looks like the final is going to be between Apples and Sparkle then

Rik



vs Wayne

That list was announced as being for those who would be interested at this stage, so that GVA could get an idea of numbers and decide how many places we'd get. I agree with Ray, it's unlikely that anyone else will step forward, but it didn't say they couldn't.

We got through a lot of games down at Newington last time for the qualifiers. My suggestion would be a similar one-day round-robin qualifier on the date most people can make, but that we give the option to any team who can't make that date to play all other teams within a specified period around that date (2-3 weeks?). The league will should be done by then, so it should be possible.

It means we get the joy of a big qualifying day and everyone gets to compete if their availability doesn't suit.

^ That's what I meant too, but Iain's explanation is much more comprehensive!

True. I also don't think anyone else would step forward, so thought it fine to go with what we have on the list. And I really think that as those teams were the number by which GVA decided, it's only fair to select from those teams. I still think those teams should be the ones that battle it out to qualify.

Admittedly though, the wording of the post didn't state it was a final list. sorry for lack of clarity there.


Yes, best idea yet.

This would be my suggestion too, only if those games could be played in 2-3 weeks.

It would mean the teams who cant make it have to set up c.12 individual games. What if there were some teams who played in the tournament couldn't make themselves available to play those teams? Could they use league results in exceptional circumstances?

No, it was voted for, before the league started, that it would have nothing to do with the Euros.

no, the league was voted by all of us to be completely unrelated to the Euros qualification.

If you can't play your games within 3 weeks, there's something wrong.

how can we accommodate this then?

come on, are you saying you can't get a sunday off in a month of sundays?

i might be in a wheel chair by then, can i still play?

* at least i'd never foot down.

not really. 10-12 games in three weeks is hard.

if we couldn't make the qualifying day, i would be happy to play all teams within the next 2 weeks, playing them back to back if necessary, but asking every other team to be available could be the problem!

i'm going to stop arguing this because I am going to be available, but please bear in mind there are some people who work weekends/shifts and we need to be considerate.

yeah, sure, hopefully everyone can be there on the day, if not, we'll have to work it out, let's cross that bridge when we come to it.

I can't do Sunday 25th April, got a date with Dave Yates. It's not unpossible that people will have stuff booked already as well as work. Obviously there's no realistic chance of qualifying but I would hate to miss an epic day of polo.

One day still gets my vote just because last year's was so good.

maybe we do two saturdays, and as many teams as possible come to both days, then any games left over will have to be played at alternative times?

That sounds best to me.

Or maybe one Saturday and one Sunday to help people which work one weekend day.

Agreed, but we can't really do a lowest common denominator approach as for me personally (and I'm sure others too) it would be much, much easier to do 12 games in a day as opposed to 12 games over any longer length of time.

Just a thought against spreading things out I guess.

The 2-3 weeks to play all 12 teams would be pretty achievable if you think of it as playing 3/4 teams at each of your available days/nights rather than one at a time. It's no more polo than a league fixture and would mean you'd only have to arrange ~4 polo meets?

yep, ed, one saturday and one sunday is a good idea.

this whole mini league thing hmmm, if only we actually had a league that over the course of time determined how 3 people played together in a consistent manner...shame that we really should have thought of that.

^ The winter league wouldn't account for changing team line-ups and progression over time though? It's nice to be able to switch things up (power team solely for Euros qualification type thing if anyone felt inclined) and stuff...

+1
Its about who can perform in a tournament scenario not games that are all spread out over a number of weeks. If it were about the latter then we should have just taken the league results.

dude, snide remarks really don't help. how about something constructive?

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