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Old 4th February 2008   #1
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Whilst living in the US for a while- as a 7 to 11 year old- i remembre a couple of things:
1. the 49ers breezing to the superbowl and winning in 95 (against the Chargers)
2. the patriots losing in 97 (to the Packers, who all my friends were supporting)- my last year in the states.
3. going to several 49ers games in my time there (i was a bay area boy)

And so, upon return to blighty- I decided I'd support 2 teams- one AFC (Patriots) and one NFC (49ers).
The two teams had mixed fortunes till this date, and so tonight I witnessed one of the saddest moments in my American Football history- the Pats not making 19-0.

Bollocks!

That is all- I just had to vent.
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Old 4th February 2008   #2
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i just watch the post game riots. we had 2 when i was growing up round here
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Old 7th December 2009   #3
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After such an old thread resurrection am I right in guessing that I'm the only one on here who has been keeping up with American Football this fall (college in particular)? I know there are some Americans on this forum. Anybody?

Texas vs Alabama in the National Championship game? BCS woes just like every year. Bowl Schedule is out and teams are starting to get prepared.

It's like the most exciting time of year and no one cares!
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Old 7th December 2009   #4
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i try.
been shit at following it this year.
both my teams lost yesterday.
stanford are doing ok.
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Old 7th December 2009   #5
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Stupid game.

To many rules.
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Old 7th December 2009   #6
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Stupid game.

To many rules.
11 players offense, 11 players defense per team on the field.

45 players players altogether per team. Everyone with highly specialised roles.


I remember trying to get into it when I was a kid, theyd show it on TV at strange times. Way too complicated, I just always liked the way it looked and violence of it all. So much stopping & starting though!

Would rather play it given the chance.
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Old 7th December 2009   #8
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i try.
been shit at following it this year.
both my teams lost yesterday.
stanford are doing ok.
Yah, I don't watch too much Sunday football. Hard to since I lost Sky!

Stanford are doing really well! Aside from beating USC they're also quite good. I bet they give Oklahoma a good run on New Years Eve. Should be a quality game.
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Old 7th December 2009   #9
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Yah, I don't watch too much Sunday football. Hard to since I lost Sky!

Stanford are doing really well! Aside from beating USC they're also quite good. I bet they give Oklahoma a good run on New Years Eve. Should be a quality game.
do you know anywhere i can watch it?
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Old 7th December 2009   #10
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Stupid rules.

To many games.
Exactly. No one knows them all either, that way you can be disappointed by some obscure call every game without boring repititions.
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Old 7th December 2009   #11
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Exactly. No one knows them all either, that way you can be disappointed by some obscure call every game without boring repititions.

I had this thought the other day whilst shitting on my epiphany loo:
American sports on the whole require more brainpower for the average fan than their english equivalents, with the exception being Cricket and Hockey on either side.

Real Football fans here enjoy the spectacle, and whilst many rugby fans understand the rules, the level of statistical knowledfe is awesome in Baseball and Football.
Hockey, not so much
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Old 7th December 2009   #12
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My all time fav:

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Old 7th December 2009   #13
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I had this thought the other day whilst shitting on my epiphany loo:
American sports on the whole require more brainpower for the average fan than their english equivalents, with the exception being Cricket and Hockey on either side.

Real Football fans here enjoy the spectacle, and whilst many rugby fans understand the rules, the level of statistical knowledfe is awesome in Baseball and Football.
Hockey, not so much
Yah, I tend to organize sports into three categories:

1.) Athleticism
2.) Strategy
3.) Skill

And I've said for a long time that American Football is one of the finest combinations of all three. Football has more athleticism and skill than american football across all the players, but I think it lacks in the strategy.
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Old 7th December 2009   #14
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Yah, I tend to organize sports into three categories:

1.) Athleticism
2.) Strategy
3.) Skill

And I've said for a long time that American Football is one of the finest combinations of all three. Football has more athleticism and skill than american football across all the players, but I think it lacks in the strategy.
Hear, hear!
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Old 7th December 2009   #15
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Yah, I tend to organize sports into three categories:

1.) Athleticism
2.) Strategy
3.) Skill

And I've said for a long time that American Football is one of the finest combinations of all three. Football has more athleticism and skill than american football across all the players, but I think it lacks in the strategy.
i think the stop and go play makes you THINK the skill and athleticism aren't up there. It's up there. WAY the fuck up there. Go see these matches in person and it's even more impressive. Gladiators.

some of the guys are 230 lbs and can run a 40 in 4.5 seconds, and catch a ball while sprinting along another atheltic equal who want to crush him. all while loking backwards. the plays are amazing, and when there's a beautiful run, it's well... beautiful.

Watch carefully, and you'll see no greater display of pure athleticism than in good football.

and the strategy... unmatched.
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Old 7th December 2009   #16
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i think the stop and go play makes you THINK the skill and athleticism aren't up there. It's up there. WAY the fuck up there. Go see these matches in person and it's even more impressive. Gladiators.
Sorry, I should have qualified my statements with a mention that I used to average about 4-5 live games a year until I moved to England. I've watched it played and understand the rules. I agree with you too, their athleticism, strategy, and skill puts them in a class above the rest (some could make a good case for Rugby by my criteria too).

However, even though there are some skill positions, and there are some amazing athletes, if you line those players up against the best football players in the world they would be outclassed in base athletics. Same would go for cyclists or runners. And the skill levels don't compare to sports like golf or formula one.

That said, I'd still argue that these players have the best combination of all three.
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Old 7th December 2009   #17
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do you know anywhere i can watch it?
I missed this earlier, sorry: Anywhere with ESPN America will show it (my house included). If it's playing live then it would be a good warm-up to an evening out for NYE. Should come on around 8-9pm on the 31st. Places like Bodeans, The Maple Leaf, and one spot over near Trafalgar Square all have ESPN America. Not sure if they'll be showing the games though.

Bodeans is a great option if you've got some cash to spend and like BBQ.
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Old 8th December 2009   #18
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Sorry, I should have qualified my statements with a mention that I used to average about 4-5 live games a year until I moved to England. I've watched it played and understand the rules. I agree with you too, their athleticism, strategy, and skill puts them in a class above the rest (some could make a good case for Rugby by my criteria too).

However, even though there are some skill positions, and there are some amazing athletes, if you line those players up against the best football players in the world they would be outclassed in base athletics. Same would go for cyclists or runners. And the skill levels don't compare to sports like golf or formula one.

That said, I'd still argue that these players have the best combination of all three.
i agree with what you're saying, especially now that you mention golf which is almost pure skill.

Thing is, I've never been able to stomach watching soccer. Too much uneventful passing and turn overs for too few goals. I suppose i'm classic ahhhmerican. I did play soccer as a kid for many years. I also played hockey for a long time and still follow the sport.

For watching sports, give me basketball, pigskin football and baseball. (i know right?)

The most rugby I've watched is in a Ralph Lauren commercial . I don't even know if they have a net or what the concept of the sport is. sad.

For playing, give me non-team sports.... biking (all forms), skiing, running,

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Old 8th December 2009   #19
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Not sure if it is the world's toughest or most demanding sport (I guess boxing takes the cake, there), but if ice hockey players are not included when you are discussing gladiators, I take offense.

Take, for instance,
Ian_Laperriere
:

On November 27th Laperričre was hit with a slapshot in the mouth while killing a penalty at the end of the first period. He would sit out the 2nd period receiving between 50 and 100 stitches but return for the third period. He also played the night after. Laperričre reportedly lost 7 teeth resulting from the incident.

NHL is full of players that have played with injuries to help their team. They might not be the smartest professional athletes, but they sure make them tough.
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Old 8th December 2009   #20
jersey
are you on NSMB?
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Old 9th December 2009   #21
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are you on NSMB?
NSMB
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Old 10th December 2009   #23
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I had this thought the other day whilst shitting on my epiphany loo:
American sports on the whole require more brainpower for the average fan than their english equivalents, with the exception being Cricket and Hockey on either side.

Real Football fans here enjoy the spectacle, and whilst many rugby fans understand the rules, the level of statistical knowledfe is awesome in Baseball and Football.
Hockey, not so much
The philosophy of baseball: http://bostonreview.net/BR33.2/rawls.php

(John Rawls on baseball).
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Old 10th December 2009   #24
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Biography
I ride bicycles and go to school

Still, nicely put.
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Old 11th December 2009   #25
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you don't see this many people showin' up to soccer games. just sayin'.



that's a lotta humans!

(and penn state football is the best)
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Old 7th February 2010   #26
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anyone staying up to watch the superbowl tonight.? I usually lose interest by the third quarter but I have a few very unlikely bets on tonight to keep things interesting.
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Old 7th February 2010   #27
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you don't see this many people showin' up to soccer games. just sayin'.



that's a lotta humans!

(and penn state football is the best)
They're not humans! They're 'mericans!
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Old 7th February 2010   #28
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anyone staying up to watch the superbowl tonight.? I usually lose interest by the third quarter but I have a few very unlikely bets on tonight to keep things interesting.
You bet on stuff you can't be bothered watching?

Actually, I do that with lotto some times.

Forget it.
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Old 7th February 2010   #29
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anyone staying up to watch the superbowl tonight.? I usually lose interest by the third quarter but I have a few very unlikely bets on tonight to keep things interesting.
Yup. Waiting for the match to start before I start punting though...

Latifah to rap America the Beautiful is already down as a loser ;-)
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Old 7th February 2010   #30
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I wasn't paying attention. Did they just sing the national anthem twice?
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Old 7th February 2010   #31
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Not quite - Latifah butchered America the Beautiful, then some Pop Idol type winner murdered the anthem...

In fairness it looked like neither could hear themselves singing...

Last edited by Rod Munch; 6th February 2011 at 23:28. Reason: in the interest of fairness
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Old 7th February 2010   #32
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lucky them
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Old 7th February 2010   #33
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you don't see this many people showin' up to soccer games. just sayin'.



that's a lotta humans!

(and penn state football is the best)
That is a whole lotta humans! Or 'mericans (super humans)

Penn State beat LSU this bowl season. Good for them, I wouldn't have picked them but that's cause I'm SEC biased.

As for the SB, I've just never gotten into pro football. It's on now, but I'll be asleep in the next 1/2 hour for sure.
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Old 8th February 2010   #34
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Holy cow - an onside kick!
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Old 8th February 2010   #35
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Has anyone here played american football in england ?

Like as part of the BAFL?

there is a team in my city, looks like a lot of fun. Although I fear my total lack of athletcism may cause me to be crushed. but still thinking of going to try it out.

I have always wanted to have a go at rugby, but the fact I wear glasses made it impossible. With a helmet, + wearing sports safety glasses it should be ok.
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Old 8th February 2010   #36
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Holy cow - an onside kick!
that definitely won them the game
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Old 8th February 2010   #37
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Congrats to the Saints. An amazingly gutsy performance all round after an ominous start. Worthy winners...
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Old 8th February 2010   #38
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played three seasons at uni and two for a bafl teams. cannot recomend it enough. beautiful thing is many involved are overweight throwbacks from the channel 4 days, so any fitness level is a bonus. i suffered without glasses, but i can see enough to recognise a brown ball and two colours of uniform, much else is unneccessary!

oh and rather a dull game, punctuated by two daring plays, and 30 Ģ won.
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Old 8th January 2011   #39
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I hope you don't mind the resurrection!
Its possibly the only time of year when most folks here get enthused about american football, so anyone got any predictions for Superbowl 45 in Texas?
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Old 8th January 2011   #40
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I don't follow Pro. I would if we had Sky because I go through withdrawal here without constant Football. I do watch College religiously and this year Auburn (my alma mater) is playing in the National Championship game (like the Super Bowl)! Monday night is the most important game Auburn's played in my lifetime.

As for pro, I really hope that the Patriots don't go for the AFC. I think they've got home field advantage and have played well so they're probably a good bet to go, but I'm just so tired of Bellichick and his invincible, boring Pats.
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Old 8th January 2011   #41
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Everyone knows that College sports>Pro Sports.....
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Old 8th January 2011   #42
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Better viewing as well.
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Old 8th January 2011   #43
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I don't follow Pro. I would if we had Sky because I go through withdrawal here without constant Football. I do watch College religiously and this year Auburn (my alma mater) is playing in the National Championship game (like the Super Bowl)! Monday night is the most important game Auburn's played in my lifetime.

As for pro, I really hope that the Patriots don't go for the AFC. I think they've got home field advantage and have played well so they're probably a good bet to go, but I'm just so tired of Bellichick and his invincible, boring Pats.
me too...
still my prediction to make the superbowl though-
because the AFC has no one that's performing as methodically:
Colts have lost something this year, they were formidable 2 yrs ago, but aren't anymore,
it'll be interesting if they come up against Baltimore, but realistically, I'm backing the Pats.

For the title, probably going to the Pats also- think in the NFC- it'll be between Chicago, Green Bay and Atlanta, because all three seemed to be gearing up, rather than trending down at the end of the reg. season.



As said up thread I used to support 2 teams.
I now support the 49ers only- its a team i have a real connection to.
If they move to Santa Clara as predicted, I feel its going to be a turbulent few yrs for SF, with a massive loss of support and money, meaning more difficulties for the team on and off field.
I wasn't surprised at the firing of Singletary, this year started bright and we've some amazing players, just development is needed.
Whilst at home i had access to sky redzone, which is the best thing ever invented.


I try to follow college, and Stanford have been my team (home town), but it was difficult to do so for a while, so can't say that I do now.
Oregon are having a ridiculous season.
as are Stanford, mostly thanks to Luck's brilliance.
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Old 8th January 2011   #44
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Well, humour me, but as a Seahawks man - I'm praying for a win tonight.....
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Old 8th January 2011   #45
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me too...
still my prediction to make the superbowl though-
because the AFC has no one that's performing as methodically:
Colts have lost something this year, they were formidable 2 yrs ago, but aren't anymore,
it'll be interesting if they come up against Baltimore, but realistically, I'm backing the Pats.

For the title, probably going to the Pats also- think in the NFC- it'll be between Chicago, Green Bay and Atlanta, because all three seemed to be gearing up, rather than trending down at the end of the reg. season.



As said up thread I used to support 2 teams.
I now support the 49ers only- its a team i have a real connection to.
If they move to Santa Clara as predicted, I feel its going to be a turbulent few yrs for SF, with a massive loss of support and money, meaning more difficulties for the team on and off field.
I wasn't surprised at the firing of Singletary, this year started bright and we've some amazing players, just development is needed.
Whilst at home i had access to sky redzone, which is the best thing ever invented.


I try to follow college, and Stanford have been my team (home town), but it was difficult to do so for a while, so can't say that I do now.
Oregon are having a ridiculous season.
as are Stanford, mostly thanks to Luck's brilliance.
Oregon are ridiculously good. And Stanford are not far off! Luck is a shoe-in to win the Heisman next year and would have won it this year if not for Cam Newton.

I'm ashamed to say I picked VA Tech over Stanford this year. I was surprised at how far off I was, Stanford destroyed them!

As for San Fran, I didn't even know that was going on! Seems strange, but maybe the change will spark some new life. Coaching right now is insane, and there are so many facets across the sport; from the devout loyalty of Penn State to the complete lack of patience at Michigan. I guess Auburn were lucky to get Chizik, even though he was very unpopular at first.

@Pistaboy - Good luck tonight!
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Old 8th January 2011   #46
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Everyone knows that College sports>Pro Sports.....
Especially in the South! At least they have a pro team in Tennessee, in Alabama we don't even have a team to ignore in lieu of College athletics.
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Old 9th January 2011   #47
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Well, humour me, but as a Seahawks man - I'm praying for a win tonight.....
Good lord. What a play!
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Old 9th January 2011   #48
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Holy crap...
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Old 9th January 2011   #49
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Oh yes you little beauties!! Seattle, you were (lucky in places) persistant!
A tribe called Qwest.......
Cheers Serk!!!
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