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Old 8th November 2009   #1
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Opinions vs. Fact

Dear LDNFGSS community,
Please, good people of LDNFGSS, consider this before posting.
I think it will save a large amount of people getting worked up over nothing.
Thanks.
Eyebrows.
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Old 8th November 2009   #2
eyebrows
i'm not saying don't disagree.
but when you do, don't assume that your opinion is so valid compared to anothers.
and don't ever assume it as fact.
because, someone will take you down. and rightly so.
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Old 8th November 2009   #3
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This is internet - there's no place for facts, people share their opinions...
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Old 8th November 2009   #4
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i'm not saying don't disagree.
but when you do, don't assume that your opinion is so valid compared to anothers.
and don't ever assume it as fact.
because, someone will take you down. and rightly so.
do you have an english translation of this?
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Old 8th November 2009   #5
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i'm not saying don't disagree.
but when you do, don't assume that your opinion is so valid compared to anothers.
and don't ever assume it as fact.
because, someone will take you down. and rightly so.

180° wrong !

Please ! For the sake of sanity, conversation , epistemology, clarity . . . . assume your position to be valid !!

Anything else is just silly wordcraft.
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Old 8th November 2009   #6
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180° wrong !

Please ! For the sake of sanity, conversation , epistemology, clarity . . . . assume your position to be valid !!

Anything else is just silly wordcraft.
do you have a racist translation of that?
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Old 8th November 2009   #7
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do you have a racist translation of that?

"the bloody gays, they have got into the food chain and no one is doing a bloody thing"
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Old 8th November 2009   #8
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* the black gays
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Old 8th November 2009   #9
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But is it a fact?
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Old 8th November 2009   #10
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But is it a fact?
Everything is fucking fact, by nature of of' utterance.
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Old 8th November 2009   #11
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Now, this is your opinion!
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Old 8th November 2009   #12
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I dream of a time when people bother to systematically demolish one another's positions and arguments, using carefully researched sources and the tools of logic, but as EEI says, this is the internets, and who can be bothered, who cares. Opinions, schminions; facts, schmacts.

Meh.
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Old 8th November 2009   #13
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hippy is aweasome = fact

FACT is awesome = opinion

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Old 8th November 2009   #14
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This is an opinion:
Campagnolo is better than Shimano.

This is a fact:
Campagnolo is better than Shimano. FACT.

It can be rendered even more immutable thus:
Campagnolo is better than Shitmano. FACT.
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Old 8th November 2009   #15
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This is an incorrect opinion:
Campagnolo is better than Shimano.

This is an incorrect opinion with an additional meaningless word:
Campagnolo is better than Shimano. FACT.

It can be rendered even more ridiculous thus:
Campagnolo is better than Shitmano. FACT.

Fixed. Fact.
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Old 8th November 2009   #16
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capitals fail. FACT.
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Old 8th November 2009   #17
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180° wrong !
Putting spaces before exclamation marks is −273.15 ° wrong.
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Old 8th November 2009   #18
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are you saying tynan = kelvin?
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Old 8th November 2009   #19
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Putting spaces before exclamation marks is −273.15 ° wrong.
Which presumably makes it 86.85° right?

Or should that be 86.45° on the basis that the numbers after the point reflect minutes rather than decimals?
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Old 8th November 2009   #20
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I was in the Westminster Reference Library the other day and I noticed a book with the words TYNAN staring out at me. I was approaching the book and a gentleman suddenly caused a commotion to the side. As I looked back to the book, it was gone!
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Old 8th November 2009   #21
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What kind of gentleman causes a commotion in a public library?
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Old 8th November 2009   #22
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Probably one of those darkies
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Old 8th November 2009   #23
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one of the gay darkies?
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Old 8th November 2009   #24
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One of those hermaphrodite whiteys?
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Old 8th November 2009   #25
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conti tyres are shit FACT.
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Old 8th November 2009   #27
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I think im gonna have to start scanning my engineering/metallurgy textbooks before saying anything about titanium again.
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Old 8th November 2009   #28
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everything in my room smells of raspberry sambuca or strawberry shisha. fact.
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Old 8th November 2009   #29
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it doesn't matter. nobody ever changes their mind on the internet from reading contrary opinions to their own. (that's my opinion not a fact)
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Old 8th November 2009   #30
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not true. i tried time ATACs after many respected people said they were great, and they are.
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Old 8th November 2009   #31
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That's changing your pedal system, not your mind.
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Old 8th November 2009   #32
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“We must always think about things, and we must think about things as they are, not as they are said to be.”
George Bernard Shaw
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Old 8th November 2009   #33
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Elephant Pilots Plane Across the Atlantic

What would you say if I told you the above headline was a fact? If you doubt my fact for one second, you may not fully understand the definition of a fact. In fact, most people don't fully understand the definition of a fact.

If you check the dictionary you may get an idea of what I mean. Random House Websters College Dictionary says a fact is, "Something said to be true or supposed to have happened."

A fact doesn't have to be true. Anyone can dispute your facts. However, in order to be a fact, it must be a statement that can be proven or disproved. It should be easy to prove or disprove the title of this page. That makes it a fact. Certainly it is a disputed fact, but a fact never-the-less.

How about the following statement? Vanilla ice cream is better tasting than chocolate.

This isn't a fact, because there is no way to prove or disprove it. This is an opinion. The difference between a fact and an opinion is the ability to prove or disprove the statement.
Fact
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Old 8th November 2009   #34
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it doesn't matter. nobody ever changes their mind on the internet from reading contrary opinions to their own. (that's my opinion not a fact)

Very good point, I was pretty certain people could have their minds changed, but after reading your post I have to now concede that you are probably right.

:P

[i'll get my coat]
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Old 8th November 2009   #35
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not true. i tried time ATACs after many respected people said they were great, and they are.
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That's changing your pedal system, not your mind.
Ren keeps his brain in his pedals.
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Old 8th November 2009   #36
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it doesn't matter. nobody ever changes their mind on the internet from reading contrary opinions to their own. (that's my opinion not a fact)
I hadn't thought of it that way. Thank you, I'm changing my mind about this.
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Old 8th November 2009   #37
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Putting spaces before exclamation marks is −273.15 ° wrong.
Unacceptable in formal composition but looks nice to me.

I am a punctuation renegade, watch me stick two fingers up to 'the man' .

See .
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Old 8th November 2009   #38
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I hadn't thought of it that way. Thank you, I'm changing my mind about this.
Beat you to the joke Mr Brown Lycra.

(see my excellent post above - [34] - and weep)
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Old 8th November 2009   #39
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Caster Semanya is a woman. FACT.

The great* Winnie Mandela said so, as did the sporting authorities of her country.

Therefore, the opinion that her reproductive receptacle is as much use as a chocolate teapot (can I say chocolate - its not racist is it?), is redundant.

* - Example of an opinion
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Old 8th November 2009   #40
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GA2G: you can say chocolate as often as you like. "Reproductive receptacle" on the other hand...
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Old 8th November 2009   #41
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I was in the Westminster Reference Library the other day and I noticed a book with the words TYNAN staring out at me. I was approaching the book and a gentleman suddenly caused a commotion to the side. As I looked back to the book, it was gone!
Tynan was the reason why my children shouldn't really watch evening TV...
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Old 8th November 2009   #42
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Tynan was the reason why my children shouldn't really watch evening TV...
Fuck !
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Old 9th November 2009   #43
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^ post watershed swearyness ^

eei is proven FACTualy correct.
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Old 9th November 2009   #44
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Putting spaces before exclamation marks is −273.15 ° wrong.
Love that = opinion.
I chuckled = fact.
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