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Old 9th May 2010   #1001
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It has a trackball, its the model before the optical pads were used. Though I've never had any problems with the ball, unlike the blackberry pearl I had before this which needed removing and cleaning every day. Pm me your email so you dont get spam and ill send you the details when my new phone arrives.
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Old 10th May 2010   #1002
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Has anyone got any experience of Orange's 7 day phone change thing? If I want to change the Blackberry for the Hero, will they nail me by making me pay through the nose for the HTC as I will have to send the 9700 back? The 9700 and HTC are the same price online, so theoretically I could have been bartering for the HTC but wasn't aware. Fuck.
There's usually a cooling off period. My boss got a new phone, used it for a couple of days, rang them to say it was shit and they sent her something else. Just speak to them until they give you what you want.. you are paying them after all.
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Old 10th May 2010   #1003
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apparently there might be some European legislation for a 7 day cooling off period for telesales contracts. So I might be able to legitimately play around with the phone and then send it back within a week.
anyway I am now going to do a hippy and go for o2 simplicity I think. definitely had enough of orange. Anyone got a decentish blackberry for sale? 8520 or up?
Ah, guess I should have continued reading the thread. :P
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Old 10th May 2010   #1004
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There is a 7-day cooling off period. I noted it for my Nexus and this is basically why I started downloading stuff from the first day... I had 7 days in which to evaluate the entire platform and to decide whether I should retreat quickly and get an iPhone. It only took me 2 days to know that the android platform beats almost every aspect of the iPhone platform and that I was fine... but still, the 7 day period is there for ALL contracts that include a phone, so as long as you're not pay as you go or sim only you can change your mind within a week of the contract starting (which may only give you a few days to actually play around).
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Old 10th May 2010   #1005
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^ Bang on, Snoopert... If you bought it over the phone or online you get the 7-day cooling-off period, no questions asked... Act fast...
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Old 10th May 2010   #1006
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and i am able to change the phone but am tied to the contract or i can cancel the whole thing including contract? i've been googling and coming up with different answers.
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Old 10th May 2010   #1007
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Legally the cooling off period relates to the whole contract inc' phone... though you're likely to get less resistance if you just swap the phone for another and keep the contract.
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Old 10th May 2010   #1008
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IIRC you can get out of the whole thing... Ofcom website might tell you... http://www.ofcom.org.uk/
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Old 10th May 2010   #1009
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no upgrade til the 26th May for me, bum
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Old 10th May 2010   #1010
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The longer you wait for an upgrade, the more phones become available, and the lower the cost of previously released phones.
It may be a blessing in disguise. I'd wanted the Xperia X10, but by the time it was eventually released, I got the Desire instead, which is a more impressive performer.

Last edited by GA2G; 10th May 2010 at 19:09.
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Old 10th May 2010   #1011
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true, if i had been able to upgrade when i originally wanted i would have the hero, now i can get the desire
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Old 10th May 2010   #1012
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got my Milestone, very nice.
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Old 10th May 2010   #1013
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New Dolphin HD browser

Quake 3 now available on Nexus One / Desire (video)

Motorola MT810 features 3D display (Chinese market for the moment)

Android edges Apple (USA smartphone market share)

Last edited by GA2G; 10th May 2010 at 19:49.
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Old 10th May 2010   #1014
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This: http://www.appbrain.com/

Solves everything ever...

Monitors all apps installed for updates, syncs apps, helps you discover apps you might like.

In short... it rocks, use it.
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Old 11th May 2010   #1015
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^ quality, good find
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Old 11th May 2010   #1016
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Mobile phones using Google's Android operating system have outsold Apple's iPhone in the US for the first time, according to new research, as the battle between two of the biggest American technology firms to dominate the mobile web steps up a gear.
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Old 11th May 2010   #1017
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One just has to bear in mind that the US is a third world country when it comes to mobile technology.
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Old 11th May 2010   #1018
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^ Symbian's Knight in shining armour... ;]
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Old 11th May 2010   #1019
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Symbian's market share in the US is miniscule. Thank fuck for the rest of the world.
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Old 11th May 2010   #1020
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^ Symbian's Captain Save-a-ho!... ;]
Steady on TS :D
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Old 11th May 2010   #1021
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Have my Desire for the past couple of days... awesome phone, but the battery saving App on the front screen vital considering my phone usage... as is carrying the recharger... when on when on when will battery development catch up with phone development?!
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Old 11th May 2010   #1022
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^ooops, apologies kinda crashed the thread with a change of subject!
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Old 11th May 2010   #1023
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Do you like your large, 16k colour touch screen? 3G? Wifi? GPS? Camera and video capture? If so, then you'll have to get used to battery life diminishing.
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Old 11th May 2010   #1024
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Yeah, that's how I viewed. Less battery life than my old blackberry, but then... a bright screen and wifi on most of the time I'm at work or home, and GPS constantly churning... it's true that battery capacity hasn't increased like CPU speed has, and that's precisely why batteries last less time. This isn't an android issue, my iPhone suffers the same... use it a fair deal = charge it every night. I can deal with that.
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Old 11th May 2010   #1025
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It's common across all mobile OSs not just Android or iPhone.
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Old 11th May 2010   #1026
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Except Blackberry the non-wifi blackberries. They have a lot of nice low-power stuff... but you trade off on prettiness and other features.
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Old 11th May 2010   #1027
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It's still common to all mobile OSs, the more features you cram in, the more the battery gets used. If you took a found like the HTC Desire and (theoretically) ran each of the major OSs on it they'd all drain the battery at a similar rate. I know, I've seen the data (and it included Blackberry).
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Old 11th May 2010   #1028
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My blackberry curve, with Latitude always updating (so GPS on too), could last 5 days including email, SMS and a little talk time.

None of my current smart phones (iPhone, Nexus, WinMo 6.5) go over 2 days with similar usage.

I know Blackberry has some low power and push tricks up their sleeve, and I've always attributed that to their incredible battery life that I have experienced.
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Old 11th May 2010   #1029
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I'm sure, but nowadays consumers want big screens, touch, Wifi, GPS, 3G and multimedia capabilities so even Blackberry struggle.

We'll see multi-core processors in phones in the next year or so, that might see a big improvement in battery life (although the speed of new features might cancel out any gain).
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Old 11th May 2010   #1030
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My blackberry curve, with Latitude always updating (so GPS on too), could last 5 days including email, SMS and a little talk time.

None of my current smart phones (iPhone, Nexus, WinMo 6.5) go over 2 days with similar usage.

I know Blackberry has some low power and push tricks up their sleeve, and I've always attributed that to their incredible battery life that I have experienced.
Do you find latitude useful? I have only really used it once, when a few different cars were on a road trip to Wales and we wanted to keep up on who was in front. In retrospective, even that wasn't really very useful!
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Old 11th May 2010   #1031
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I find it extremely useful in the "I'm putting dinner on, I wonder what time Fizz will be home... oh she's at Shepherds Bush now so must be getting the bus and is 15 mins away" type of scenario. That works the other way round too... when I finish my studies late and head home Fizz wonders where I am, can see... and puts a pizza in for me which is coming out of the oven just as I get home.

For friends it's been a little useful but nowhere near as indispensable. I've met a couple of people in the past year or so solely based on "you appear to be down the road, want to meet for lunch". But this is much rarer overall.

BTW... when do you want your iPod Touch back?
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Old 11th May 2010   #1032
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and i am able to change the phone but am tied to the contract or i can cancel the whole thing including contract? i've been googling and coming up with different answers.
For the record, Orange were amazing about cancelling the contract and returning the phone. Ironically the only time I have had good customer service was when I was leaving after 4 years, seems they were happy to see me go.
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Old 11th May 2010   #1033
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Google Maps has been updated on the app store and now includes bicycle route plannign.
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Old 11th May 2010   #1034
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According to various sources, SONY are to launch a new Bravia TV line, based on a modified version of the Android OS?
What will this mean for consumers? What synergies might be realised?

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Old 12th May 2010   #1035
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It makes perfect sense in a converged technology world. Sony Ericsson have strong brands that they've never really capitalised on in other areas of their business, i.e. why not a Bravia branded multimedia phone?
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Old 12th May 2010   #1036
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No no... it IS a TV. A Bravia TV, and not a phone.

The point of putting Android in a TV is to give the TV an internet browser and a home dashboard. So think of things like "I'm watching this program but want an alert when I get email, and then to read my email in a translucent window overlaid on the program".

Or better... sporting events... a live twitter stream from your mates at the bottom of the football game... and you could tweet back and it would appear.

Or... turn off the telly and have the TV go into a screensaver mode in which alerts would wake up areas of the screen and keep you informed of things. So news stories could flash up when stuff happened, so even with the TV 'off' you had this constant connection to things you cared about.

Or... implementing iPlayer directly into the TV and using Android to draw the interface.

Or... taking existing Android apps and putting them on the TV, don't think this makes sense? Well Ocado have an internet shopping app, imagine not needing to own a computer yet to still be able to do internet shopping of your groceries.

Basically... quit thinking that Android is only good for phones.
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Old 12th May 2010   #1037
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Throw a trackpad on that remote. Oh yes.

I was looking at the basic 2010 Bravia TVs and was amazed (I still have a Trinitron) they are Wifi enabled with Youtube stickers all over them. When did that happen??
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Old 12th May 2010   #1038
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@velocio - I know. Was going to expand on that but my daughter was due her nap so had to post and then put her to bed.

Android, like Symbian, can potentially be used in a wide variety of consumer goods, some obvious, some less so and it'll be interesting to see how this develops over the next few years.
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Old 12th May 2010   #1039
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Google Maps has been updated on the app store and now includes bicycle route plannign.
Got it this morning (although, the bike routing are only in the US, but everyone knows this).

Also got Navigation with the upgrade, which is awesome (and means my G1 is better than all of your Heros, suckers!).

Adrienne and I used my G1 to navigate our way back from Exeter on our tandem (used a battery a day, had two spares, and charged everything over night). Made some routes in Google Maps, saved them, loaded them on the phone (as a layer) and just followed the red line. Obviously this is easier with a stocker than if you're on your own, but a mount + allowing navigate to work with pre-planned routes would be pretty sweet (haven't played with it yet to see if this is possible).
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Old 12th May 2010   #1040
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BTW... when do you want your iPod Touch back?
Anytime would be good, unless you keeping it would make it more likely that you'll keep working on the mobile theme?

As for Latitude, sadly most of my friends (and Tori) are not geeky enough to get into Latitude. Oh well, at least my battery isn't totally drained by GPS and data all day long.
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Old 12th May 2010   #1041
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Anyone have any problems using Android stuff with Vodafone?

About to sign a good deal I think...free HTC legend, 12 months, 300 mins, 3000 texts, unlimited internet, £40 p/month, £120 cashback. So it works out at £30 p/m for 12 months. Very cheap even without cashback I think.
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Old 12th May 2010   #1042
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T-Mobile is cheaper, no?
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Old 12th May 2010   #1043
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Depends how much you negotiate. With Orange, got free Desire handset, 400 mins, 550 texts, 500Mb data for £15/month. 24 months admittedly, but still worth it I reckon.
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Old 12th May 2010   #1044
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I'm not dealing with Orange any more.

t mobile dont seem to have the legend? legend is my choice, aluminium body, dont need a huge screen, still fast, still 2.1...
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Old 12th May 2010   #1045
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No no... it IS a TV. A Bravia TV, and not a phone.

The point of putting Android in a TV is to give the TV an internet browser and a home dashboard. So think of things like "I'm watching this program but want an alert when I get email, and then to read my email in a translucent window overlaid on the program".

Or better... sporting events... a live twitter stream from your mates at the bottom of the football game... and you could tweet back and it would appear.

Or... turn off the telly and have the TV go into a screensaver mode in which alerts would wake up areas of the screen and keep you informed of things. So news stories could flash up when stuff happened, so even with the TV 'off' you had this constant connection to things you cared about.

Or... implementing iPlayer directly into the TV and using Android to draw the interface.

Or... taking existing Android apps and putting them on the TV, don't think this makes sense? Well Ocado have an internet shopping app, imagine not needing to own a computer yet to still be able to do internet shopping of your groceries.

Basically... quit thinking that Android is only good for phones.


Excellently explained. andyp is sacked. ;)
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Old 12th May 2010   #1046
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Excellently explained. andyp is sacked. ;)
I live in hope.
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Old 12th May 2010   #1047
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I'm not dealing with Orange any more.

t mobile dont seem to have the legend? legend is my choice, aluminium body, dont need a huge screen, still fast, still 2.1...
Furry muff...
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Old 12th May 2010   #1048
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I live in hope.
You do realise that you are entitled to a pension for all of the guru-ishness you provide on here.

You will be paid in (wait for it)............smarties.

;)
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Old 12th May 2010   #1049
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I like smarties. :-)
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Old 12th May 2010   #1050
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Then you keep the job, along with the incredible status it affords. Don't let VB muscle in on your action.
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