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^for sure Ed, i guess all these thing start out with few knowing the meaning.... aka rubber wrist bands/pink ribbons..... but with support it would grow and with that also awareness. And finally, yes the design should be considered enough so as not to be confused with other associations etc.

I still think it's a good idea.

fingers crossed they are ok. still very sad affair, becoming all to common.

Christ. Just round the corner.

What a nightmare.

absolutely right - i think we have to think exactly what we want the result and target audience to be. Then think of what the best way to achieve this.

Eds got it. arm bands and spoke cards are about as much use as ironic moustaches shaped as arrospoks

Simply calling people out when they do it is 100000 times more effective and direct - this was probably not the first time this person went up the left, What would the outcome be if they had been warned before.

The memorial ride is an idea that worked, but i feel it needs to take on board all the sites where riders have died this year. OR known dangerous junctions

the loss is unacceptable, I cannot even remotely imaging how the people who know her feel this targic loss

Netherless, I sincerely don't think it's becoming too common.

This is why there's an action meeting being set up. Some people have ideas, other have experience of previous ideas etc.
I guess we'll finalise actions and ideas at the meeting.

Sometime the old way is still the best way, spread the word, make information sheet to hand out to people (not just cyclists), promote more HGV to have a sign on the back warning cyclists not to undertake etc. (I've notice more HGV/LGV have that now).

I think sometimes people are just to eager to get somewhere ahead of someone else, be it a pedestrian crossing on a green light (what's it going to save on your journey 2 minutes?), a car trying to overtake a cyclist where there is clearly no space or obvious advantage and more obviously cyclist crossing red lights.

I have embarked on a personal mission to try and cooperate and be as visual as possible with drivers, to make them aware of what i'm doing and if i notice that they have pulled back to give me space i will give them a thumbs up. Because i know i really appreciate a bit of road courtesy.

As a friend of mine once wisely said "we are all just trying to get somewhere"

It shouldn't be a battle and there are a lot of drivers out there that do not like cyclist...this should change and we as cyclists should try to force this issue as much as possible.

My thoughts go out to the people invloved in the accident.

Sage words, keep it up hugo. Me too. Praise the good behaviour as much as (or more than) pointing out the bad.

Again, though, this thread is not the place.

:-(

Apologies...no disrespect meant.

More shite news. Hope it's not as serious as it sounds...

sad news again. fuck that bit of road is local to me and not the nicest spot as pistanator pointed out.

Can't believe it, not again, I hope the rider pulls through.

I pray for the rider and their family that this is not another fatality. I wish our fellow rider a speedy recovery.

horrible news :-(
I really hope there's a good outcome....

i'll be riding extra carefully on my way home tonight.

Saw the news in an email David had sent. Not good. London streets are a mean machine.

[EDIT] I hope you guys have lights on your bikes. Not that they help you to see, but you get seen.

lets talk facts guys!!! i want solutions not bullshit...(pardon the french)
what do you think we should focus on? tougher penalties? bicycle training for eveyrbody (a license)? or simply publicity?
together we can find a solution and implement it! caammm annnn
i m so tired of careless drivers..lets make them taste a life wasted..in jail..

no no no! not another one. i really hope they are ok.

what is it with september? it was a bad month last year.

My thoughts go out to all the friends and family suffering right now because of this needless problem.

Cannot underestimate how right this man is.

(for once)

got hit by a van yesterday. Then after getting home i heard about the cyclist, now another.

:S

worrying stuff.

[QUOTE=flxh;952334]got hit by a van yesterday. Then after getting home i heard about the cyclist, now another.

ok, so why did you get hit? what kind of van? how could you have avoided it? was it possible to avoid? who admitted culpability? etc etc

proper analysis of collisions and near misses will help us find the solutions.
the authorities dont care or bother to work out why.

+1

[quote=Ktee;952349]typical white van. i was approaching traffic lights in dulwich village. There was no room to proceed to the front of the queue on my left as a woman had opened her door and was getting out of the car with her family. I didnt want to take the middle of the road as there was a steady stream of oncoming traffic in the other lane, and quite a tight fit. I decided to trackstand behind the car infront of me and wait for a gap to open up or for the lights to change.

van comes up behind me way too fast, hits my back wheel and i fall forward. This was as the lights changed practically, i got up and he was already driving off. I wasnt hurt but it really fucked me off. Was so angry i didnt think to get the reg or anything.

there's quite a bit happening out there on making london safer for cyclists.
i thought this pdf has some really positive things to say along with interesting statistics

http://www.ctc.org.uk/resources/Camp...in_Numbers.pdf

shit this is right round the corner from me, hope they're ok

Jesus. Two horrible accidents in two days. What is wrong with this city? Why do I only hear about cyclists being injured, run over and killed when I log onto this forum? Why isn't this news?

And we've got celebrity chefs mouthing off and telling tales about intimidating cyclists and no one thinks twice about it until it creates a shit storm. It's disgusting.

Thoughts go out to the rider; really hope whoever it is pulls through okay.

Have more car drivers turned to cycling or is it more people who used to use public transport? In my 8 years in London I have seen the number of cyclists go up dramatically. Thats why I expect the number of accidents involving cyclists to be greater.

I am praying for their safety, this is just too much.

any news on this?

I asked a journalist for thelondonpaper (I work for same company) to look into this. I hope they will do a piece on the this & the Whitechapel Road accident in today's paper.

Sounds bad but could have been worse. Also I have been told that there have been no arrests in relation to fatal accident.

The police have said the cyclist collided with a concrete mixer on the junction with Atkins Road at 1.23pm.

A police spokeswoman said: "The male cyclist aged 20 from Vauxhall received a broken lower left leg and broken upper right leg and general abrasions. He was taken to a south London hospital where his injuries are being treated as not life changing. "No arrests have been made. The incident is being investigated by our traffic department."

Thanks for the update - so glad he's (relatively) OK.

Good. Glad he's OK - as in not dead - looked terrible when I went past.

^^If 2 broken legs falls into the '(relatively) OK' category, then I fear for all of us. Better than death though, so I'm thankful for that.

^^NOT LIFE CHANGING??? Seriously? If not a typo, then this goes to show that we are ceratinly not being taken seriously as cyclists.

Glad it's not worse. Speedy recovery x

relatively OK as not being a vegetable frankly.

thank fuck he's ok.

Probably meant 'not life-threatening'. That's one of the stock terms...

"not life changing" means, for example he won't loose his limbs or spend the rest of his time in a wheelchair.

Ask BigBadAd about breaking shit-loads of bones and it not being 'life-changing'. He's not riding on roads now, spent a more than a year in various stages of being pinned together, casts, endless physio, drugs and many, many operations.

This is still really bad - yes it's good the guy's not been killed by this, but ... he got squashed by a concrete mixer!

It is life changing. No doubt.

I should think it is massively life changing, maybe not life threatening, but imagine the mental scarring !

Whilst I understand the legal/official side of "NOT LIFE CHANGING", BGA got a point about not treating cyclists seriously if that kind of language is used, it clearly portrays the overall attitude!

Speechless. Lorry...cyclist. Lorry...cyclist. It doesn't take a genius to work out there's a pattern here. Totally unacceptable whoever's at fault. My heart goes out to the rider. May he have a speedy recovery.

Glad that the rider is (relatively) ok

I rather suspect that the "Not Life Changing" was decided by a medical professional who actually treated the injuries, and might know a bit more about the situation than any of us. I wouldn't get so angry just yet.

relax guys! that's the 'stock' definition. i have no doubt that the incident will be physically and mentally life changing for the rider and his loved ones

Given the circumstances, this can sound patronising, but hearing so often about these tragic collisions, I'd like to point out, that your local council can provide some form of cycling training and marshaling for all of you, who are not very confident on the road or simply don't know the highway code at all.
We all participate - either cycling, driving, riding motorbikes or simply walking - in the same London traffic. If a simple, often free course can save someone's life, then go for it!
Of course it will not get rid off any arrogant and ignorant bullies, but perhaps make you more aware on the road.
As a cyclist I know there are some road users who treat us like a nuisance and users of some kind of "lesser" vehicles ("can't afford a car", but as a driver I'd like to point out, that you should always take care while riding past a car on a narrow busy road, becasue I often seen a situations when a driver swerved to the left to avoid a maniac on a moped/motorbike in the middle of the road only to cut into a cyclist on the left (there's no way one can look at both side mirrors at the same time).
As for the lorry drivers - chill the fuck out! You will get there eventually - don't take somebody's life on the way :-/

that's what I meant - the majority of these threads sadly end in Fatalities, I'm glad this wasnt another statistic.