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Old 7th June 2009   #1
jonnyfixie
Carlton Bicycles (Cyclone, Cobra, Professional, etc)

after cleaning out the garage one day took a load of junk to the local recycling centre and spotted this old racer in the scrap metal skip so i said to the attendant-i know a better way to recycle this! he even give me a hand to pull it out. the wife thinks i've lost the plot! can anyone tell me anything about this old girl or should i "fix" it ? it's a carlton but it's raleigh bits on it
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Old 7th June 2009   #2
lard-hamilton
i had one of of these when i was about 13, my dad bought it secondhand in the market in Mare st, Hackney, I remember scraping the paint off and underneath was Lovely silver undercoat, it looked the bizz, used to do my paper round on it. Then it got stolen, nothing changes!
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Old 7th June 2009   #3
jonnyfixie
is this thing any good or should i send it back to be melted!
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Old 7th June 2009   #4
lard-hamilton
i'd keep it and do it up ive just done the same with an old raleigh, got my bits off ebay cost very little 20/30 quid. They were a good bike in the day, it deserves a new life! The only thing I will say is that old steel frames rust from the inside.
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Old 7th June 2009   #5
Prime heretic
Looks like the Carlton I have in the garage, except your has a Brooks saddle.
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Old 7th June 2009   #6
jonnyfixie
this thing needs a lot of work- paint job new wheels n stuff. i'm in the process of "fixing" my mountain bike which i use to go to work on, but this will be me bit on the side- turn it into something beautiful, anyone got some good ideas- like to ditch the brakes but they're in good nick. saddle should come up nice with a bit of shoe cream or something
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Old 7th June 2009   #7
DickBarton
Is the tubing anything special? Are the seatpin and stem siezed in? Are the forks bent back? (They look a touch steep, or is that an illusion?)

That's what I'd be considering...
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Old 7th June 2009   #8
jonnyfixie
i'll have to do a post-mortem examination tommorrow, how do i know if the frame is rusted from the inside? and i'll take a better picture of the forks i'm sorry but i'm a bit of a bike-tech virgin!
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Old 7th June 2009   #9
potlatch
I have one like it. Not sure what to do with it either.
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Old 8th June 2009   #10
edscobledonor
 
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Use Proofile, they're leather treatment from Brooks themselves, it should look pretty good after a good rub.

that brooks saddle look like it's in good nick, actually nearly everything bar the frame is in pretty good nick, strip the mother's, and spend your time and energy cleaning, greasing, polishing every bits that look like it can be save, and simply replace those that can't.
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Old 8th June 2009   #11
melon
 
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strip and rebuild it fixed with fashionable parts. then sell it on ebay as a mad ratbike fixie.
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Old 8th June 2009   #12
Ste_S
 
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What Ed said with the stripping, cleaning and re-greasing.

Frame number will either be under the bottom bracket or on the left rear drop out. See here :-

http://www.carltoncycles.me.uk/details/dating.htm

to try to date your frame
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Old 8th June 2009   #13
P!MP
Personally I would hang on to it and do it up. Bikes of this age aren't going to get any cheaper with current cycling trends as they are. You have a nice little racer there. I managed to pick up up a 1971 Carlton Grand Prix a few weeks back for free from a kind soul. Gonna keep it as a period racer for longer rides.
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Old 8th June 2009   #14
turnpike
I'd definitely keep the bike and spend some time on restoring it - it'll be worth the trouble. If you decide not to, let me know and I'll take it off your hands :)
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Old 8th June 2009   #15
turnpike
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Personally I would hang on to it and do it up. Bikes of this age aren't going to get any cheaper with current cycling trends as they are. You have a nice little racer there. I managed to pick up up a 1971 Carlton Grand Prix a few weeks back for free from a kind soul. Gonna keep it as a period racer for longer rides.
P!MP, How about some pics of your 1971 Grand Prix to whet our appetites? I used to have a balack/red one from that era until a speeding car's front bumper hit it broadside :(
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Old 8th June 2009   #16
P!MP
There's a pic of it in the Bike Porn thread about 3 weeks ago. Was in great condition and only needed new cloth bar tape. There is a bike god and he smiled on me that day!
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Old 8th June 2009   #17
P!MP
Page 296.
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Old 8th June 2009   #18
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I'm currently restoring exactly the same bike, although mine was the opposite to yours. The frame seems to be in good condition and everything else was screwed :D

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2475/...eb9b0d21_b.jpg

That was when I first cleaned it, I've now got it completely stripped down and I'm paint stripping it today.
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Old 8th June 2009   #20
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Page 296.
http://static.lfgss.com/attachm...-carlton-1.jpg
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Old 8th June 2009   #21
P!MP
I love seeing old bikes being given a new lease of life, that's what's cool about the fixed movement. I picked up a lovely old Bianchi 10 speed a year or 2 back and criminally cut off all the cable guides, I so regret that now. Wish I had left it original, all my conversions since could be re-converted back to racers if needs be.
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Old 9th June 2009   #22
jonnyfixie
[quote=DickBarton;739009]Is the tubing anything special? Are the seatpin and stem siezed in? Are the forks bent back? (They look a touch steep, or is that an illusion?)

That's what I'd be considering...[/quote

the letters ti inside a circle appear on the frame along with a decal "made in the republic of ireland" no sign of any numbers stamped into it anywhere just the letter k under the bottom bracket and GB forged on the stem, still not sure about these forks but everything else is fairly good shape. the model name seems to be "criterium"
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Old 9th June 2009   #23
jonnyfixie
are these bent
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Old 10th June 2009   #24
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it hard to tell from the photos to be honest, netherless old fork tend to bend quite far like that for comfort (back then when the road wasn't exactly in great condition).
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Old 10th June 2009   #25
jonnyfixie
oh that'ill suit me great as i live in ni- roads are shit here
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Old 10th June 2009   #26
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the letters ti inside a circle appear on the frame along with a decal "made in the republic of ireland" no sign of any numbers stamped into it anywhere just the letter k under the bottom bracket and GB forged on the stem, still not sure about these forks but everything else is fairly good shape. the model name seems to be "criterium"
Checked the left rear drop out ?

Carlton's were either made in Woking or Nottingham, so I'd imagine the Ireland sticker is something that someone's added at a later date
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Old 10th June 2009   #27
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oh that'ill suit me great as i live in ni- roads are shit here
I see what you mean though, from the photo the fork ends don't seem to be level with eachother. Is that what you were trying to illustrate? Might be an illusion.

Otherwise the curve is quite normal, and I think rather pretty. My 60's frame has the same.
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Old 10th June 2009   #28
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Mine's very, very similar. Dunno what to do with it, really.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3337/...a1dcf5db_o.jpg
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Old 10th June 2009   #29
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Mines currently in pieces, stripped back to the metal and ready to be painted. I'm painting it white and I've already started polishing the forks and bars :)
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Old 10th June 2009   #30
jonnyfixie
according to wikipedia the carlton cycle company was taken over by raleigh and raleigh did build bikes in dublin
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Old 10th June 2009   #31
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Not Carlton's though. Made in Worksop (early models from Carlton-in-Lindrick) until 1981 when the Worksop factory closed. Raleigh carried on with the name for a year or two in Nottingham until they retired it
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Old 10th June 2009   #32
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oh that'ill suit me great as i live in ni- roads are shit here
where abouts in n.i are u from? i ride around belfast normally and dont see to many fixed gear bikes.
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Old 10th June 2009   #33
jonnyfixie
ever heard of ballinamallard
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Old 11th June 2009   #34
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ever heard of ballinamallard
is it near enniskillen? not too sure :) i'm sure it is fixed gear central tho by the sounds of things.. lol
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Old 11th June 2009   #35
turnpike
No serial on bottom bracket probably means it was Nottingham built. Nottingham built Carltons have the serial # stamped vertically on the back of the seat tub just under the seat stays - 1st character "N" indicates Nottingham build. Not all Carltons were built @ Worksop even before closure. (GB stem normally indicates 1960s or early 1970s.)
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Old 11th June 2009   #36
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RE the tubing - TI = Tube Investments I think its Truwel double butted frame tubes. Mine has the same logo. Its stripped down and fixed. I love it. Its reasonably light even with the clottered cranks, and feels great on the road.

As its seems to have all the parts I'd say keep it, clean it, ebay it. Or post on here.

Here's mine b4 and after (the b4 makes it look better than it was).
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Old 11th June 2009   #37
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No serial on bottom bracket probably means it was Nottingham built. Nottingham built Carltons have the serial # stamped vertically on the back of the seat tub just under the seat stays - 1st character "N" indicates Nottingham build. Not all Carltons were built @ Worksop even before closure. (GB stem normally indicates 1960s or early 1970s.)
*Gets Anorak*

See here :-

http://www.carltoncycles.me.uk/details/dating.htm

According to this they didn't use N as a leading character

One of my Carlton's was built in Nottingham in 1982, after the factory closure, and it still starts with a 'W' rather than a 'N'
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Old 11th June 2009   #38
turnpike
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*Gets Anorak*

See here :-

http://www.carltoncycles.me.uk/details/dating.htm

According to this they didn't use N as a leading character

One of my Carlton's was built in Nottingham in 1982, after the factory closure, and it still starts with a 'W' rather than a 'N'
Raleigh/Carlton original serial number sheet:

The prefix letter indicates build factory not brand. The exception to this is that the "W" prefix continued to be used on Nottingham built lightweights (eg 531) after Worksop closed. Carltons were also built at Nottingham ("N" prefix) before Worksop's closure, and the I have a 1980 Nottingham built Carlton Cyclone with standard TI tubing and it carries the "N" prefix on seat tube. I also have a 1987 Raleigh Road Ace (531) with a "W" prefix # on bottom bracket.

Bottom line is, if no serial on bottom bracket, check the seat tube. But don't take it back to the scrap bin - it's too good! Fix it, ride it, enjoy it. It'll outlast a modern far eastern aluminium bike any day.

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Old 11th June 2009   #39
jonnyfixie
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is it near enniskillen? not too sure :) i'm sure it is fixed gear central tho by the sounds of things.. lol
aye bout 6 mile
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Old 11th June 2009   #40
jonnyfixie
found it! on the seat tube- DK809479
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Old 12th June 2009   #41
turnpike
So there you have it! An Irish built Carlton. Built at the Irish Raleigh factory in Dublin in July 1978.

Have you decided to keep it yet?
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Old 13th June 2009   #42
jonnyfixie
yip but dont know exactly what i'll do with it, the purists would say keep it as original as possible but i fancy doing something a bit more radical but it's a job for the winter so i've got time to decide. looking through the bike porn thread will help me decide
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Old 13th June 2009   #43
P!MP
Whether you keep it as was or convert it the main thing is you breath new life into it, and another old racer rolls again.
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Old 13th June 2009   #44
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is it near enniskillen? not too sure :) i'm sure it is fixed gear central tho by the sounds of things.. lol
Not quite, but I've been riding fixies on and off here for years. I'm new here though. I set an alert for Ballinamallard in Google Reader, and never expected it to come up with a fixie forum!

Jonny, that bike looks very much like the first one I fixed back in the early '80's. It had a cottered steel crank and the tubing was nothing special, but it was fun to ride, and the hills round here soon got me fit. Whenever i had two bikes, it was the fixed I rode most. These days I've got an e-assisted Xtracycle to fetch the groceries from Enniskillen - you may have seen me around.
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Old 14th June 2009   #45
jonnyfixie
it's a small world! i'll watch out for you- what does an an e-assisted Xtracycle look like?
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Old 15th June 2009   #46
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it's a small world! i'll watch out for you- what does an an e-assisted Xtracycle look like?
Its just a cheap black mountainbike with a front hub motor and a15" wheelbase extension for load carrying. No gears, so I guess its on-topic for here ;-)

When I had the fixie I ran a 20t sprocket and a 48t chain ring. That got me up all the hills round here, but I had to be careful coming down some (like Drumsonnus), because I just had the sprocket spun onto the old hub - no lockring.

If you want to get in touch, click on my username to email me.
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Old 15th June 2009   #47
jonnyfixie
wow thats a tight one (ulster slang meaning great or big) -lot of work to do at the old carlton before i can tackle that one! anyone know the best way remove the lamp bracket mount on the forks and will it leave a hole?
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Old 15th July 2009   #48
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Mine's very, very similar. Dunno what to do with it, really.

Snap!



you mention that you don't know what to do with yours...? Does that mean you would be willing to sell? I'm looking to swap my large frame for a smaller one. Wanna trade?
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Old 16th July 2009   #49
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Snap!



you mention that you don't know what to do with yours...? Does that mean you would be willing to sell? I'm looking to swap my large frame for a smaller one. Wanna trade?
Where did you get that saddle? I'm after one like that.
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Old 16th July 2009   #50
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Its a charge spoon I think
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