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Old 28th January 2010   #401
welpeur
no prob .. i hope it helps, it had actually been confusing me before too but i hadnt thought about until you stuck the diagrams up .. i don't actually see how their square design is an improvement on a round shackle anyway as if you've ever tried to saw through something then the hardest bit is always getting the initial 'groove' to start cutting into and a corner is a perfect for the job as you only have to scratch it slightly to have an indentation to start working against .. seems like 'verbal' technology to me
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Old 28th January 2010   #402
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I don't necessarily agree with you fully. I think the square design is an improvement, but maybe only in negating twisting attacks.
I thoroughly enjoyed your well thought out argument though.

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Old 30th January 2010   #403
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I have a krypto fag mini d lock, and i'm thinking of getting a second lock to go with it.

Anyone use the abus steel o flex 1050?



What i like about it is i can wear it around my waist, so its easy to carry, the reviews for it seem pretty good too.
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Old 31st January 2010   #404
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To be honest, that look pretty weak.
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Old 31st January 2010   #405
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To be honest, that look pretty weak.
And it cost the same as 3 mini evo's!

I might just give it a miss.
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Old 3rd February 2010   #406
bananaman
just purchased my first bile thats actually worth nicking. this, and other forums have come very much in handy when choosing what lock to buy and how to use - so thanks everyone.

I already have a chunky abus chain and have ordered a kryptonite ny mini fagh, currently awaiting delivery from amazon. However since ordering I have noticed it doesnt seem to have a sold secure rating, either on the amazon website or on the kryptonite site. Anyone know if this is correct, and if so why? I thought it was the toughest mini D out there. the mini D is cheaper and looks less secure, but has a silver rating. I need a silver rating for it to be valid on my insurance. If its not valid perhaps i would be better off sending it back and getting the mini evo.....
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Old 3rd February 2010   #407
bananaman
sorry everyone, thats BIKE, not bile!
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Old 3rd February 2010   #408
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The Fahg Mini looks ''less seure'' than what.......another bike lock? That's rather doubtful.

However, SoldSecure have only provided a rating (GOLD obviously) for the New York STD lock.......and not the Fahg Mini.

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The solution may be to buy the Motrax Viper disc-lock/U-lock. Its passed by Thatcham, which is higher regarded by insurance companies than SoldSecure.

If the insurance company insures motorcycles, then is will insure a bike locked with a Thatcham approved lock.

Last edited by GA2G; 4th February 2010 at 07:40.
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Old 3rd February 2010   #409
well, is it
2 fahg minis FTW.
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Old 7th February 2010   #410
mst66
Does anyone have any practical experience with viro locks?
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Old 7th February 2010   #411
mst66
I meant to add this :
http://www.viro.it/Pagine/8.ANTIFURT...E_CatenaEN.htm
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Old 7th February 2010   #412
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VIRO U-Locks of Italy, may be ordered in the UK from Intercitylocks or DiscountLocks, as they do business with VIRO
(no guarantee though). Will add to the list, when available directly from a UK shop.


Viro U-Lock 16mm


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Old 18th February 2010   #413
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He got a thicker lock but locks to the thinnest rail:



http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/cycli...0-lock-review/
I like my bike locking technique being critiqued. Now if you could tell me how to go faster with less effort then I'll be done.

Note on the Kryptonite New York.... very good lock. Not had a theft (touches wood ahw! so immature) left it a couple of times in hotspots like camden etc. Always with two locks (one is a chain lock). Lock is ridiculously bulky and when locking to the classic lamppost the bike needs to be standing on the back wheel due to not been able to fit around the bottom thick part of lamppost.
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Old 18th February 2010   #414
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I like my bike locking technique being critiqued. Now if you could tell me how to go faster with less effort then I'll be done.

Note on the Kryptonite New York.... very good lock. Not had a theft (touches wood ahw! so immature) left it a couple of times in hotspots like camden etc. Always with two locks (one is a chain lock). Lock is ridiculously bulky and when locking to the classic lamppost the bike needs to be standing on the back wheel due to not been able to fit around the bottom thick part of lamppost.
Those thick based lamp posts are a pain in the arse. And the CCTV camera poles... If you're going to have CCTV everywhere, at least make it useful to people!

Anyway, so your solution is Kryptonite NY through frame, front wheel and upper post and chain through back wheel, frame and post on the bottom?
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Old 18th February 2010   #415
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I like my bike locking technique being critiqued. Now if you could tell me how to go faster with less effort then I'll be done.
Yeah sorry for my twatty post and comment saw afterwards on your blog you know full well how to lock a bike, been watching too much "Hal Grades Your Bike Locking". Someone had a go at my bike the other day, the NY3000 and Evo mini stopped them, but they tried to break one of the thin rails it was locked to. Your blog is great, like the gloves you reviewed, got a pair now have been looking for some like that for ages. As for going faster, ask Chicchi.



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Old 19th February 2010   #416
neilp
Not sure if this has already been posted but it looks like a good article. http://quickrelease.tv/?p=327
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Old 23rd February 2010   #417
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I've done a mini utfs.
I'm just getting some insurance and reading the small print. Seems that the Krpto Evo is an accepted Sold Secure lock, when the Fagh isn't. wtf? I just sold my Evo to get a fagh which is clearly better.
Gutted. Am going to have to buy another lock.
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Old 23rd February 2010   #418
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The Fahg mini is better, and don't trust the rating system.
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Old 23rd February 2010   #419
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^if you use it
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Old 23rd February 2010   #420
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The Fahg mini is better, and don't trust the rating system.
yeah, it's thicker, it has to be.
But, it's not covered in the insurance list.
Daft innit.
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Old 23rd February 2010   #421
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is a second hand new yoirk covered?
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Old 23rd February 2010   #422
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is a second hand new yoirk covered?
This was going to be my next question.
You have to provide proof of ownership and I'm sure insurance companies wouldn't accept second hand locks.
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Old 23rd February 2010   #423
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grrrrrrrrr
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Old 23rd February 2010   #424
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I'm not saying for defo, but you just know they would try and get out of paying out any which way.
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Old 23rd February 2010   #425
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Phone the insurance company and ask them why they don't include it. You never know, they may update the list to include it.
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Old 23rd February 2010   #426
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I've done a mini utfs.
I'm just getting some insurance and reading the small print. Seems that the Krpto Evo is an accepted Sold Secure lock, when the Fagh isn't. wtf? I just sold my Evo to get a fagh which is clearly better.
Gutted. Am going to have to buy another lock.
I have a receipt for my Mini Evo purchased on 21-12-09 if you want it. Might satisfy the insurance people and you get to use the better lock. PM and I'll post it out tomorrow.
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Old 23rd February 2010   #427
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Two locks (or more!?!) and no insurance.
Wrangling anything helpful out of insurance companies is like trying to get a note from a spongecake saxophone.
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Old 23rd February 2010   #428
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hmm :D ^
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Old 23rd February 2010   #429
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^if you use it
bang!
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Old 23rd February 2010   #430
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I have a krypto fag mini d lock, and i'm thinking of getting a second lock to go with it.

Anyone use the abus steel o flex 1050?



What i like about it is i can wear it around my waist, so its easy to carry, the reviews for it seem pretty good too.
there was last week or so, a post of that bike stolen with details and pics. used one of those, got coughed on and fell off. get a real chain or go double d.

this is bricklane london my friend!
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Old 23rd February 2010   #431
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^if you use it
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Old 23rd February 2010   #432
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Thieves were able to cut Simplicissimus's decent U-lock twice with not much noise, wonder if it was the 54 model which gets great reviews:

http://www.lfgss.com/post1226186-3280.html

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It was secured with an Abus Granit X Plus U-lock to a proper bike post, around the middle of the frame. The U part had been sawn through in two places very cleanly. Obviously the thieves came prepared - almost certainly local I'd guess. Though out of visual contact I was very nearby yet heard no loud noises - any ideas?
I'm skeptical of the times they say it takes to cut u-locks with an angle grinder. I cut a link out of a Sold Secure Gold Secure-A-Bike 10mm Chain using a cheap angle grinder with a metal cutting disc and it took less than 10 seconds to do two cuts, it was good hard metal as a decent hacksaw hardly made a mark on it.

BikeRadar said: Moving onto the power tools, our angle grinder did cut through the Xplus in 59.8 seconds.

Tmysko does it a bit quicker:


Last edited by Erudin; 24th February 2010 at 01:09.
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Old 23rd February 2010   #433
Dugtheslug
And bearing in mind that you can now buy a cordless angle grinder (albeit a shit one) for 35, the above video is very relevant to your choice of lock
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Old 24th February 2010   #434
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I have a receipt for my Mini Evo purchased on 21-12-09 if you want it. Might satisfy the insurance people and you get to use the better lock. PM and I'll post it out tomorrow.
Cheers mate, that's really kind.
I should have one somewhere too for the one i sold but thanks anyway.
Reading more of the small print. You have to prove you used it. So I guess I need to take a photo everytime I lock my bike up?
Has anyone any experience of claiming?
This probably needs to be in the insurance thread.

It seems the big krypto NY are Sold Secure, but not the Fagh. The NY chains are also. This is wac.

I think I'm going to get an Abus chain for my secondary lock.
More $%^ing expense but obv worth it.
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Old 24th February 2010   #435
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You need a crime reference number - you can phone the police station or go in person.
Proof you used the lock - bits of the lock or a cut fence, post or whatever you locked it too.
A sympathetic claim handler.

Register your lock with Kryptonite (the form attached to the instructions) and enclose the receipt for your bike or a letter from your LBS valuing the bike. They cover you up to (insert the figure stated on the lock packaging). You may have more luck with them than the insurance company. I cancelled my bike insurance as the Kryptonite one was just as strict, needed the same proof of theft and are far more friendly when you call. You still need to send photos and the remains of the lock for their quality process. My friend had his bike stolen 2 days after buying it. It was locked to 'cycle sucure' railings in the car park at his work with Whatever the size up from the mini Fahg is (3000?) through back wheel and rear stay, krypto cable through the Fahg and weaved through the railings and a mini Evo through frame and front wheel. They cut a section of the railings away to get better purchase on the Fahg which was cleanly cut in two. Kryptonie took ages, but did pay up. I think when he claimed they hadn't even received the paperwork, which I assume accounted for the delay.
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Old 24th February 2010   #436
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I think if you're really protective (which I have been about some of my previous bikes) then try one of these. It may add a couple of kilos to the bike, but it is based on a motorbike lock, and I would challenge a theif to get through that before you've finished your shopping :)
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Old 24th February 2010   #437
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will the Fahgettaboudit u lock fit around more than rim and seattube?
or should i rather take a m18?
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Old 24th February 2010   #438
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it depends how close the two are together.
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Old 24th February 2010   #439
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mkay ... then what are the diameters inside the 'U'
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Old 24th February 2010   #440
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i am in bed, ask ed, his is next to him.
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Old 24th February 2010   #441
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You don't necessary need to lock it together with the seat tube, the seat stay is more than enough.

there is room, but depend on the object that it'll be attached to.
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Old 25th February 2010   #442
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...I'm skeptical of the times they say it takes to cut u-locks with an angle grinder. I cut a link out of a Sold Secure Gold Secure-A-Bike 10mm Chain using a cheap angle grinder with a metal cutting disc and it took less than 10 seconds to do two cuts, it was good hard metal as a decent hacksaw hardly made a mark on it.

BikeRadar said: Moving onto the power tools, our angle grinder did cut through the Xplus in 59.8 seconds.

Erudin, I am pretty sure that such tests are GUIDES as to performance of products. But cutting a lock isn't a science, and there are really too many variables, so that I might cut an identical lock, using the same tools, slower than you would.

1. Are you suggesting that a 13mm diameter squared section of hardened steel, should give a similar performance to a 10mm section? More mass would mean more time required to cut.

2. Are you also suggesting that the Secure-A-Bike chain has the same steel formulation for hardness as the ABUS Granit X-Plus? I don't think so somehow. Therefore we can imagine that the two types of steel have different levels of hardness, and I'd put money on the ABUS being quantifiably superior.

I think that ABUS, Krytonite, XENA (stainless steel), and possibly On-Guard, are all at the top of the tree for using superior steel formulations for their top-of-the-range locks.

A 10mm lock/chain link diameter is too easily defeated. Only 16mm diameter (and thicker) locks and chains (link diameter) are recommended in this thread, and I think you can probably see why. More secure, absolutely...but no security system is infallible.

Last edited by GA2G; 25th February 2010 at 10:11.
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Old 25th February 2010   #443
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This from Sold Secure:

The product called Krytonite Evolution Mini was removed the middle of last year from our approved listings as the product was not put In for annual audit , there is a new product by Krytonite called Kryptolok series 2 mini which is a small D shackle which will be on our approved data base shortly, The product you inquire about (THE FAGH) was pedal cycle silver rated

But my insurance company said the Fagh are on the list so their fine. I think they're confusing it with the NY 3000 though.

Either way, I've bought the Abus steel o flex 1000.
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Old 25th February 2010   #444
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What a joke. The steel o flex is about as secure as a pair of shoelaces.

Sold Secure are crooks, plain and simple. Many of the tests Kryptonite, Abus et al. do are far more comprehensive than Sold Secure's but because it costs an arm and a leg to get approved by them, they are understandably loath to shell out for tests they can do better, simply to get their stuff marketed better.

Edit: Sorry, realise that first line may seem offensive. No locks are secure, the steel o flex is the best of its type, and I don't blame you for wanting a lock that the insurance company will deal with, but my point still stands.
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Old 25th February 2010   #445
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Totally agree, it's a farce.
I had to buy that 65 lock for my insurance to be valid, but will obv use in conjunction with my fagh.
Could have gotten a cheaper D lock but wanted a chain.
Some of the locks on the insurers list where a joke.
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Old 25th February 2010   #446
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Chain/cable locks are shit... How many times have we been through this FFS...
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Old 25th February 2010   #447
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1. Are you suggesting that a 13mm diameter squared section of hardened steel, should give a similar performance to a 10mm section? More mass would mean more time required to cut.

2. Are you also suggesting that the Secure-A-Bike chain has the same steel formulation for hardness as the ABUS Granit X-Plus? I don't think so somehow. Therefore we can imagine that the two types of steel have different levels of hardness, and I'd put money on the ABUS being quantifiably superior.
I too thought the Abus would resist cutting better, but the video shows the angle grinder going through it like a knife through butter (6 seconds for one cut, so 12 for the two required), the Kryptonite fahg seems to have a better resistance to angle grinders from the tests I've seen. Unfortunately Simplicissimus lost his bike even though he was not far away, maybe a disc alarm and thicker u-lock would have stopped the theft. I was thinking of getting an Abus 54, but now would get a NY Fahg or Abus 59 as minimum.

Last edited by Erudin; 25th February 2010 at 14:50.
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Old 25th February 2010   #448
well, is it
Another reminder to any of you who use the british library: use plenty of locks!

Bikes are being nicked from there on an extremely frequent basis - there's mention of it earlier in this thread and a relative just saw one being taken.

We are entering the age of the cordless angle-grinder, people.


Some-one should make a lock that does this:


Last edited by well, is it; 25th February 2010 at 15:23.
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Old 25th February 2010   #450
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posted in the wrong thread guys!
i obviously wanted to post it in the "locks that dont work"...
sorry
and dont try it at home!
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