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Old 17th January 2009   #1
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Silly question prob... where is brick lane bike market?

as it says in the title where abouts is the actual bike market?
i've been down a couple of sundays but not seen a large amount of bikes for sale and ive walked from spitalfileds market all the way to the surf/snowboard shop at the bethnal green road cross
if someone can tell me where it is in relation to a shop or somethin that would be class
will be there early doors tomorrow
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Old 17th January 2009   #2
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There is no such place. Its a market of sorts that just happens to sell a few (stolen)bikes. Best to avoid.
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Old 17th January 2009   #3
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He had a bike stolen and probably wants to recover it.
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Old 17th January 2009   #4
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.....type E1 6PU into your Garmin and there you are!
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Old 17th January 2009   #5
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Definitely a very silly question. You should be ashamed. I shouldn't even be acknowledging you. Thank god I dont know you.
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Old 18th January 2009   #6
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it be on brick lane itself, north of the new Overground bridge, think they're all stolen as every week there's almost an entirely different bike of different type.
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Old 18th January 2009   #7
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here
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Old 18th January 2009   #8
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oh god
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Old 18th January 2009   #9
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thanks guys going hunting for my stolen bike!!
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Old 18th January 2009   #10
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Are you tooled up?
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Old 18th January 2009   #11
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I reckon peak times are between 11-2pm This is when the general market is at its busiest. Good luck man. Im going down in a few minutes so i'll keep an eye out too.
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Old 18th January 2009   #12
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http://www.londonfgss.com/thread3948.html
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Old 17th May 2009   #13
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Sorry to hijack this thread, but as I've never posted before (only read and absorbed / lurked) I am not priviledged enough to start my own post...

My friend wants to buy a bike from Brick Lane market - she has never cycled in London before (she's Canadian) and just wants something cheap and cheerful until she gets the hang of things, when she will upgrade. She asked my for guidance as I live on Brick Lane, and I did warn her that a lot of bikes round here are stolen. However, there's an old guy (Keith?) who's here every week, and also will fix your bike for you for a v. reasonable price, so I thought his stall might be legit(?)

To get round this problem, I decided I'd ring Brick Lane police station, as I assumed they'd have some log of frame numbers of (reported) stolen bikes. My thinking was we could then look for the bike's frame number and check with the police prior to purchase. The guy I spoke to was like "Um....no, I don't think we have anything like that". After I assured him they did, as I had 'signed up' to it, he put me on hold and consulted a mystery source. When he came back on the line he said "Um...so, it might have a post code stamped on the frame. That's the only way we can track it. So don't buy a bike with the post code on the frame." When I asked if he would like me to notify him if I did encounter any bikes with post codes on them his response was: 'Well.... I suppose you could do."

I know this probably sounds naive, but having worked with the police (as a consultant) before, I was genuinely surprised at this complete lack of organisation / concern for the stolen bike trade going on under their noses. Surely it can't be that hard for them to keep a database of stolen bike frame numbers?!? My grandmother is an antiques dealer and they have pretty decent systems in place at the big fairs (Newark, Ardingly) to stop people from inadvertantly fencing / buying stolen goods - and antiques don't even come with handy frame numbers. You think they'd make it a bit easier to stop unknowledgable people buying stolen bikes!

Also, his totally unsatisfactory response negates the fact that some people might want to legitimately sell on their post code marked bikes.

Obviously the answer to the question is just don't buy bikes from Brick Lane market, but it's a bit annoying to have to write-off a whole market which probably does have some genuine and non-stolen second hand bikes for sale, so all feedback and suggestions are welcome...
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Old 17th May 2009   #14
Pistanator
I've said it before and I'll say it again, OB are good for fuck all and couldn't give two shites about stolen bikes. There's no money to be made from it

Go through a red light though and they'll be more than happy to 'assist' you
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Old 17th May 2009   #15
wiganwill
What did your work as a consultant with the police involve? Because you seem to have an unusually naive view of how things work. Have you ever been burgled? If you have you'll know that the chance of the police of recovering your stuff is very small. Bike theft ranks even lower in their priorities.
Have a look at this thread:

http://www.londonfgss.com/thread3948.html
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Old 17th May 2009   #16
bluestocking
It was as a psychologist, so involving crimes a little bit more 'high end' (as it were!) than bike theft. However, I'm just surprised they don't stick these details in their existing system. I was trained to use CRIS, which is the Met's crime referencing database, and it would be incredibly easy to create a databox to write in someone's frame number on their CRIS report if they reported their bike stolen. Then it would take an officer, literally, 40 seconds to a minute to run the frame number through CRIS and see if it flagged it as a stolen bike. My incredulity at their lack of interest was more to do with the fact that this software is already in place, so I can't believe they don't use it!

I've never had my bike stolen, or my home burgled (touch wood); but I do know with burgleries it's very hard to recover goods. But that's because they're not clearly, individually marked, surely? Bike frame numbers should be a gift to the police in terms of making them easy to find / track, so I'm just surpised (and very disappointed) they're not more 'on it'.
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Old 17th May 2009   #17
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The police do take a record of your bike when you report it stolen--but whether the frame number goes on there of course depends on whether you know it, and most people don't. Hence, I'd assume that only a very small number of frame numbers would actually exist on the system.

CRIS doesn't need any new data boxes written--they all exist, and anyone trained on it can take down information about a bike in exhaustive detail. Again, it's people's ability to report it that's at issue. I remember reporting a friend's stolen bike at Southwark Police station once and all that the bloke ahead of us in the line could remember was that his bike was red.

There is both an advantage and a disadvantage to this disorganisation--the disadvantage is obvious, but the advantage is that there is no compulsory bike registration system in this country.

Nonetheless, there is another database--the Immobilise database, where the police would strongly encourage anyone to register their bike. The police can then simply query the database either when you report your bike stolen or when they recover it.

The best advice is not to buy from Brick Lane, ever. Give it a wide berth. Go to a reputable bike shop. You might spend more money in the short term, but it will pay off massively in the longer term.
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Old 18th May 2009   #18
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i think i've mentioned this before but:

after my flat in hackney was burgled i had to report to the police station in the morning. when i did i saw a crackhead on my bike, wearing my hat and my flatmate's jacket hanging round right outside the police station. being weedy and afraid i ran in and told the policaman on the desk that the guy who'd stolen my stuff was right outside the front door with my stuff... they said they'd send a car round. "he's right there!" said i. *shrug* said he. i stalked back outside and followed the guy for a few minutes till the car eventaully turned up. i pointed the guy out to them, he must have been fifty metres away... and yep, they still failed to catch him. he cunningly eluded them by going very slowly round a corner (and blending into the rest of the crowd of hackney crackheads presumably?). i never got my bikes, guitars, amps recording equipment, tv, videos, records, clothes, shoes or milk (they took that too) back. police incompetence and indiference never surprises me.

and having been on the receiving end of prosecutions for such heinous crimes as riding a pedicab, and jumping red lights on deserted early sunday morning streets, neither does their mean spirited, money grubbing, petty vindictiveness.
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Old 18th May 2009   #19
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they stole your fucking milk???
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Old 18th May 2009   #20
Steff
That sounds about par for the course, sadly. You did right not to try to tackle him yourself, BTW - they'd probably have been only to happy to issue a fixed-penalty ticket for a some public order nonsense if you had. Said ticket would of course have gone to you, because dealing with the generally law-abiding is a lot less grief than arresting people who may be violent and/or have outstanding warrants, both of which require work.
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Old 18th May 2009   #21
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they stole your fucking milk???
Nah I think it was just regular cow's milk.
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Old 18th May 2009   #22
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they stole your fucking milk???
4 pints!
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Old 18th May 2009   #23
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Thats dark...
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Old 18th May 2009   #24
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i've heard worse stories to be honest. i'm just glad when i stumbled downstairs in the middle of the night i was too bleary to notice they were still in the flat.

aaaanyway. hope you get your bike back strange name rooster man (david h?). for the record i've always found most of the stolen bikes being touted in the side bit to the market, just off brick lane itself. near the alley that runs from beth grn road round the back of the beigel shops.
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Old 18th May 2009   #25
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Its called Scalter Street and it runs perpendicular to Brick Lane and becomes Cheshire Street.
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Old 18th May 2009   #26
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Its called Scalter Street and it runs perpendicular to Brick Lane and becomes Cheshire Street.
(Actually, it's called Sclater Street.)
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Old 18th May 2009   #27
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they stole your fucking milk???
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4 pints!
this will not stand.

we demand action. and a spoke card.
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Old 18th May 2009   #28
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this will not stand.

we demand action. and a spoke card.
thanks man but it was about 12 years ago. it's probably gone off by now.

or been stripped and sold for parts.
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Old 18th May 2009   #29
Yanuf
The problem is that there is a market for the nicked gear. Guys go to Brick Lane knowing that a lot of the gear is hot, but its cheap so they think WTF?
Everyone loves a bargain, don't matter if its on the back of kids in a 3rd world sweat shop or a dodgy Brooks in brick Lane, few sovs = many smiles.
When the market dries up the tea leaves will pick on something else to steal.
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Old 18th May 2009   #30
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That sounds about par for the course, sadly. You did right not to try to tackle him yourself, BTW - they'd probably have been only to happy to issue a fixed-penalty ticket for a some public order nonsense if you had. Said ticket would of course have gone to you, because dealing with the generally law-abiding is a lot less grief than arresting people who may be violent and/or have outstanding warrants, both of which require work.
Straight out of the Daily Mail. Classy. I look forward to your upcoming post about how overcrowded this country is.
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Old 18th May 2009   #31
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agreed. people who buy bikes from brick lane perpetuate bike theft. they benefit from bike theft, and as such are no better than the thieves.
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Old 18th May 2009   #32
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they stole your fucking milk???
Shit! What did you do with your coco pops in the morning?
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Old 18th May 2009   #33
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Straight out of the Daily Mail. Classy. I look forward to your upcoming post about how overcrowded this country is.
Don't get me started! I was in the queue for 25mins at the Post Office today
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Old 18th May 2009   #34
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Straight out of the Daily Mail. Classy. I look forward to your upcoming post about how overcrowded this country is.
Yawn. Or, y'know, it could be that I know a couple of coppers and have heard at length about the pressure they're under to avoid anything time consuming in favour of lots and lots of trivia to make the stats (and hence their career-minded senior officers) look good.

You'll be waiting a while for my anti-immigration post by the way, since I think that this country benefits hugely from immigration (and in any case, the real worry would be if people didn't want to come here).
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Old 19th May 2009   #35
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[QUOTE=Steff;701062]Yawn. Or, y'know, it could be that I know a couple of coppers and have heard at length about the pressure they're under to avoid anything time consuming in favour of lots and lots of trivia to make the stats (and hence their career-minded senior officers) look good. You'll be waiting a while for my anti-immigration post by the way, since I think that this country benefits hugely from immigration (and in any case, the real worry would be if people didn't want to come here).[/QUOTE I presume the yawn is for your use of tired old cliches? Funny enough i know a few coppers myself, but let's dispense with anecdote - when have you known anyone arrested and prosecuted for being law abiding? The overcrowding thing wasnt entirely serious you know.
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Old 19th May 2009   #36
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Don't get me started! I was in the queue for 25mins at the Post Office today
If you'd just use the cash machine like everyone else it would be lot quicker. Its not going to steal your money.
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Old 19th May 2009   #37
Steff
Read the original posts again. I said that the "generally law-abiding" are easier to deal with than the habitually criminal, and thus a soft target for stats-driven policing. That isn't even controversial - it's well established.

Also, read this: http://nightjack.wordpress.com/2008/...r-decent-folk/
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Old 19th May 2009   #38
TheCatMan
Thats facile - everyone is law abiding apart from the point you break said laws! The real reason lots of people get pinched for what you call trivia is that lots of people break some laws habitually - speeding for example. Relatively few people burgle by comparison and they tend not to do it in front of a copper. Even so, the proportion of burglars pinched is massively bigger than the proportion of all speeders that get nicked. Its just a numbers game that rags like the Mail misuse to support a false hypothesis - unfortunately some people take it all on face value. Of course if you have empirical evidence to back up your claim of established truth i will stand corrected. (I am unable to access that link from my mobile device).
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Old 19th May 2009   #39
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Brick Lane Market is actually on the Old Kent Road, not near Brick Lane at all.

The others are trying to get you lost.

I am trying to help you.
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Old 19th May 2009   #40
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" the proportion of burglars pinched is massively bigger than the proportion of all speeders that get nicked." really? i wouldn't know - but i doubt it... if you get a minute can either of you guys link us to some supporting stats please? this is really interesting.
Im mobile now - can link some proper stats later. However i think the detection rate generally for reported crime incl burglary is around 30% - now contrast that with speeding, how many times have you broken a road traffic law and how many times have you been pinched? If its more than 0.01% of the time I would be very surprised.
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Old 19th May 2009   #41
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hmm, im not sure what it is that your saying catman, i'm pretty shit with numbers. i took:

"the proportion of burglars pinched is massively bigger than the proportion of all speeders that get nicked"

to mean that more burglars were nicked for burglary than speeders for speeding... something which would seem pretty tricky to prove? i'd be interested to read some more about when you get time to point me in the right direction ( i had a quick google but can't search properly here at work ;-)
Sorry, trying to type that out whilst mobile didn't really work out! What I mean is that per 'major' crime (burglary, robbery, theft etc.) committed there is a much much higher chance of getting arrested and brought to jutice than per 'minor' crime (traffic offences for example). However because of the sheer volume of people habitually committing minor crime (traffic offences for example) you are almost certain to know a number of people who have got 'done' for something trivial whereas if you have been the victim of a more serious crime once in the last year there is something like a 3-1 chance that the offender will not have been caught.

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs08/hosb0708.pdf

It is easy therefore to draw the conclusion (and some parts of the media often do) that the police are only nicking 'law abiding' citizens and ignoring the more serious offenders. Its just a numbers thing - an alternative way of looking at it is that the vast majority (and I'm talking over 99.9%) of people who break road traffic laws never ever get pinched. Just try driving along the motorway at 70 - you will see a subtantial number of vehicles travelling faster than you and they are all 'getting away with it'. Of course this is anecdote - if you want hard facts try and google the results of speed surveys (that'll be the purpose of the two parrallel thin black tubes you occasionally see laid out across a road for a week or two) there are loads on the web.

http://tinyurl.com/o4h26j

This is the first one I get if I google "speed survey results" for Essex. A quick precis is that more than half of vehicles are breaking that particular speed limit. That is 100s in a 24 hours period. So, back to my original point - people break speed limits 100s times a day, every day of the year and never get pinched - if they burgled houses at that rate they would be getting arrested on a very regular basis despite what the Daily Mail would have us believe.

Debate about crime stats aside, this all stems from someone bemoaning the fact that you would probably get pinched if you tried to mete out summary justice in the street - I'm not so sure that is a bad thing to be honest.
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Old 19th May 2009   #42
Steff
Traffic offences (and speeding ones in particular) are a bit tangential to the original comment, since non-specialist police have more or less given up doing traffic enforcement for anything but the grossest stupidity, and even the traffic officers have been de-emphasised in favour of speed cameras*.

Going back to my original point, I didn't mention dispensing of summary justice - that's your imagining based on the stereotype you instantly applied to me. My point was that had dooks attempted to detain the crackhead himself, he would in all probability have been hauled up as the crackhead would immediately have cried assault and been extremely familiar with the arrest and charging system. Since the emphasis is all on "sanctioned detections" these days, there is tremendous pressure to slap a fixed penalty ticket on whoever's least likely to complain, demand to go to court, fail to appear for court etc. This drives the police themselves mental, as a quick perusal of numerous blogs and fora or a pint with police officer will quickly reveal, but since that's what their performance is measured on they have to play along.

*Which, in contrast to the Daily Mailites, I think are by and large a good thing in themselves. I'd like them to be in addition to human policing rather than instead of it, though, since it's wholly possible to be extremely dangerous without breaking the limit.
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Old 19th May 2009   #43
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Traffic offences (and speeding ones in particular) are a bit tangential to the original comment, since non-specialist police have more or less given up doing traffic enforcement for anything but the grossest stupidity, and even the traffic officers have been de-emphasised in favour of speed cameras*.
I assumed traffic offences to be the 'trivia' you referred to. I can't imagine anything else that would be considered trivia that people are getting pinched for in any great numbers.

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Going back to my original point, I didn't mention dispensing of summary justice - that's your imagining based on the stereotype you instantly applied to me.
I plead guilty to the lesser charge of embilishment - I know virtually nothing about you on which to base a stereotype!

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Since the emphasis is all on "sanctioned detections" these days, there is tremendous pressure to slap a fixed penalty ticket on whoever's least likely to complain, demand to go to court, fail to appear for court etc.
The reality is that there are relatively very few fixed penalty notices/penalty notices for disorder issued compared to FPNs for traffic offences. In the main they do very little to contribute to the sanction detection rate for most crime types - you can't issue a ticket for burglary/robbery/ABH/etc. etc.. I do agree that a focus on sanction detections is not in the public interest. I think most people would rather crime halve than detections double.

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it's wholly possible to be extremely dangerous without breaking the limit.
Now this is something we can agree on.
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