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Old 2nd February 2012   #351
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Because a lot of people fit one anyway?
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Old 2nd February 2012   #352
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belt'n'braces.
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Old 2nd February 2012   #353
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Velonews say shifting is now better (front and rear) than DA 7900.
And Cyclingnews say...

front: "It's still not quite on par with Shimano Dura-Ace".
rear: "still not quite as slick or smooth as Shimano"

but also

"if anything, Red now seems poised to give Campagnolo's mechanical front shifting a run for its money"
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Old 2nd February 2012   #354
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brakes look farkin shite
I agree. The old ones 'looked' far better.
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Old 2nd February 2012   #355
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And Cyclingnews say...

front: "It's still not quite on par with Shimano Dura-Ace".
rear: "still not quite as slick or smooth as Shimano"

but also

"if anything, Red now seems poised to give Campagnolo's mechanical front shifting a run for its money"
Contradiction-O-rama then, Campag front shifting (mech) is better than Shimano (mech), or so I understood (my own comparison is based on Ultegra vs Chorus).

This is all received wisdom and conjecture though really, wonder when we will be able to buy the new Red and find out?
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Old 2nd February 2012   #356
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DA is best

Fin.
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Old 2nd February 2012   #357
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I've understood most pro teams use Red. Why is this? SRAM spending millions on marketing?

EDIT: Nothing to do with performance, but Jesus H. Motherfucker Ultegra and Dura-Ace cranks look like shit.
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Old 2nd February 2012   #359
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fuck.
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Old 2nd February 2012   #360
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all those tests of the new RED seam to be saying that the current REd is shite.
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Old 2nd February 2012   #361
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I've understood most pro teams use Red. Why is this? SRAM spending millions on marketing?
You understood wrong.

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Old 2nd February 2012   #362
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all those tests of the new RED seam to be saying that the current REd is shite.
It is. At least when compared to the other top-end choices.
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Old 2nd February 2012   #363
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That's just not true though is it?

Rear shifting is very good- that's on a par with the other two.

Front shifting was sub-par, but that has been addressed now.

Different generations, but I find my 2011 Force rear shift to be much better than my previous Ultegra/DA.

My 2011 Apex is better than my old Ultegra/DA, come to that.
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Old 2nd February 2012   #364
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'Current' Red is shite. New Red is less shite. Glad we agree.
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Old 2nd February 2012   #365
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Not important to you, but new Red is over half a kilo lighter than DA.

That's a fair amount of weight.
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Old 2nd February 2012   #366
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You're right, it's not important to me. I need stuff to work properly all the time, under pressure, with a large lump of meat riding a bike trying to break everything.

I'll gladly change my opinion on the new Red when I've used it.. if it's better.
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Old 2nd February 2012   #367
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Doesn't sound like you are willing to give it any sort of chance, so how are you ever going to know if it is better/worse/the same?
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Old 2nd February 2012   #368
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When I ride the new one I will know, obviously.
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Old 2nd February 2012   #369
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My 2011 Apex is better than my old Ultegra/DA, come to that.
Not specifically aimed at you, but in general how much of this is down to the parts, and how much is down to set-up/installation?
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Old 2nd February 2012   #370
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Not sure- I installed/set up both the Ultegra/DA, and the Apex/Apex+Force/Force, if that helps at all.

Ultegra/DA was with Shimano cables, Apex/Apex with the Sram ones, and Force/Force are Alligator iLink, the Ultegra/DA was on the bike that is now Force/Force, so same cable runs etc.
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Old 2nd February 2012   #371
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I like the way you can make the metal belt thing jump onto different sized sawing circles. It's like a machine or something.
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Old 3rd February 2012   #372
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You understood wrong.

I referred to this article:
http://inrng.com/2011/01/2011-team-b...of-campagnolo/

Not sure how good a coverage of things it provides.
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Old 3rd February 2012   #373
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The list I posted is 2012 yours for 2011. I'm sure Garmin were using Di2 whereas your list says SRAM.

That's even worse for SRAM if teams are moving back to Shimano after a season. Perhaps SRAM doesn't want to cough up the sponsorship money since they've well and truly entered the market now?
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Old 3rd February 2012   #374
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The list I posted is 2012 yours for 2011. I'm sure Garmin were using Di2 whereas your list says SRAM.

That's even worse for SRAM if teams are moving back to Shimano after a season. Perhaps SRAM doesn't want to cough up the sponsorship money since they've well and truly entered the market now?
Now I know.

And I do agree.
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Old 3rd February 2012   #375
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What exactly does how much sponsership you dish out, have to do with quality of groupset?
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Old 3rd February 2012   #376
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garmin- cervelo used sram red last season. this season they chose not to have a groupset sponsor and buy Di2 out of their budget due to demand from their riders.

Guess Di2 is that much better for the pros. Want to try new red though as i like my sram.

I imagine the schleck chain drop vs contador is the main reason for the chain catcher on new red... really damaged their reputation as it arguably cost him the tour.
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Old 3rd February 2012   #377
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I wonder if Boonen will be using the same setup for Paris-Roubaix this year?
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Old 3rd February 2012   #378
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garmin- cervelo used sram red last season. this season they chose not to have a groupset sponsor and buy Di2 out of their budget due to demand from their riders.

Guess Di2 is that much better for the pros.
Wow, didn't realise this. Pretty drastic stuff - especially as they've got budget problems this year anyway..
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Old 3rd February 2012   #379
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I wonder if Boonen will be using the same setup for Paris-Roubaix this year?
what was he using last year? SR?
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Old 3rd February 2012   #380
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what was he using last year? SR?
Campag Fail-o-Matic or something.

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Old 3rd February 2012   #381
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Wow, didn't realise this. Pretty drastic stuff - especially as they've got budget problems this year anyway..
Were they're the team who swapped their groupset around as they couldn't afford all of them for every bike?
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Old 3rd February 2012   #382
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Campag Fail-o-Matic or something.

Tom Boonen Paris-Roubaix 2011 Arenberg - YouTube
Balls. He's snorting a stash of coke from inside the sexy Campag rear mech.
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Old 3rd February 2012   #383
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I'm switching to Campag..
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Old 3rd February 2012   #384
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Style over content. You know it makes sense.
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Old 3rd February 2012   #385
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I was more interested in the 'contents'
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Old 3rd February 2012   #386
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Do all campag rear mechs come pre-packed?
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Old 3rd February 2012   #387
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Yours was but I've "adjusted" it for you.
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Old 3rd February 2012   #388
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My new Campy Athena is 'mazing, and very stylish, shifts very well and makes me tea in the morning.

That said since it is my first geared road bike I have nothing to judge it against. So in my opinion its the best
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Old 3rd February 2012   #389
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^otherwise known as the 'scoble effect'.
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Old 3rd February 2012   #390
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To be fair. The top 3/4 groups from any of the main players are great.
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Old 3rd February 2012   #391
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^ unless you have Campag Power Torque.
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Old 3rd February 2012   #392
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I've only ever rode with shimano my top bike van nicholas has 105 but then I'm not really looking for a top end groupset as I ride this bike everyday through the year.

105 does me fine, no complaints.
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Old 4th February 2012   #393
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SRAM hydro road discs formally announced for Autumn:
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/articl...rst-look-33108
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Old 4th February 2012   #394
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^ but still no pictures.

Bet it's fugly. I'd pony up though, if it worked.
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Old 4th February 2012   #395
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I imagine it will be something like the Formula lever:



http://road.cc/content/news/50510-ne...-lever-updated
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Old 4th February 2012   #396
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..or microshit in aesthetics (not function obv)

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Old 7th February 2012   #397
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I think I've spent too much time looking at Dammit and SmallFurry's builds - I looked at the relative weights of groupsets today - Ultegra is almost 350g heavier than Force.

Have worked out that I get 100g grams of that back by keeping my S-Works carbon cranks and can save another 130g back by using PX cnc'd callipers with Swiss Stops instead of the Ultegra ones.
#itbegins
#>>>>>weightweenies
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Old 7th February 2012   #398
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If there are weight weenier, then I'm a chubby chaser.
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Old 7th February 2012   #399
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I think I've spent too much time looking at Dammit and SmallFurry's builds - I looked at the relative weights of groupsets today - Ultegra is almost 350g heavier than Force.

Have worked out that I get 100g grams of that back by keeping my S-Works carbon cranks and can save another 130g back by using PX cnc'd callipers with Swiss Stops instead of the Ultegra ones.
#itbegins
#>>>>>weightweenies
Much as it pleases me that you have taken this step onto the darkside. I've heard nothing good about those PX calipers.

http://fairwheelbikes.com/forum/view...p?f=104&t=7582
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Old 7th February 2012   #400
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A lot of people say that Ultregra is kept artificially heavy to make DA more desirable.

I've not studied the components side by side to have a view on that.

I would take Di2 Dura Ace in a second, with weight penalty.

But, given that my frame is for cables, and the impending obsolescence of the 7900 Di2, I will likely stay SRAM.

If you take the time to look at the weight then you start wondering "why is this so heavy when it doesn't need to be?"
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