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dogmatic · 7th December 2008

Which is higher up in the shimano quality hierarchy, 105 or 600?
Isn't 600 the old ultegra?

hippy · 7th December 2008

Yes. 600 would be higher spec. but you have to factor in the fact it's older.. so some parts of the new 105 groupo will be better than parts from a 600 groupo. Outboard BB is one example.

dogmatic · 7th December 2008

cranks (for a beater)... got both and i'm thinking about which to keep and which to give away... obviously i'd keep the best ones myself... ;)

hippy · 7th December 2008

I ran 600 cranks on the Raleigh and they're now on the Condor. How new are the 105s? Are they both square-taper? If so I'd probably stick with the 600s.

tynan · 7th December 2008

600s are 495 better than the 105s.

dogmatic · 7th December 2008

i was waiting for that answer, actually... surprised it took 45 minutes...

tynan · 7th December 2008

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Originally Posted by dogmatic

i was waiting for that answer, actually... surprised it took 45 minutes...

I spent 10 minutes working out whether it was a good move to post it and 35 minutes doing the maths.

dogmatic · 7th December 2008

If you would have spend 35 minutes working out whether it was a good move, you could have saved yourself the mathematics.

now, using your formula, how much better is dura ace than ultegra?

hippy · 7th December 2008

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Originally Posted by tynan

600s are 495 better than the 105s.

Fail.

600 are 495g heavier than 105g.

hippy · 7th December 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by dogmatic

now, using your formula, how much better is dura ace than ultegra?

A bit.

tynan · 7th December 2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by dogmatic

If you would have spend 35 minutes working out whether it was a good move, you could have saved yourself the mathematics.

now, using your formula, how much better is dura ace than ultegra?

Dura-ace, according to my calculations are the lowest of the low.

hippy · 7th December 2008

Dura-Ace derailler..

dogmatic · 7th December 2008

somehow all of this reminds me of bikesnob's comparison of rear derailleurs:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_wb8bAl1P-N...rs+chart-2.jpg

hippy · 7th December 2008

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Originally Posted by dogmatic

somehow all of this reminds me of bikesnob's comparison of rear derailleurs:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_wb8bAl1P-N...rs+chart-2.jpg

hehe I really should read some of his shit. :)

dogmatic · 7th December 2008

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Originally Posted by hippy

hehe I really should read some of his shit. :)

I used to read it every day... but I tend to forget to these days until something funny of his blog like that photoshopped bmc pennyfarthing pops up in this forum...

Ste_S · 7th December 2008

Which 600 cranks are they ? Some have the self extracting bolt set up, which has it's pros and cons

dogmatic · 7th December 2008

they don't have those... but i already made my decision...

MrSmyth · 7th December 2008

i have a pair of the new dura-ace cranks here. they are objects of beauty, a real bargain at £280

dogmatic · 7th December 2008

i'll give you 28 euros for them... isn't that about the right exchange rate?

dicki · 8th December 2008

old 600's look nicer campy record-a-likes - ish

DFP · 8th December 2008

I have old 600 square tapers on my bike, same as hippy had on his I think.

Have found them really nice, somehow feel more solid & better machined than the equivalent 105 which Ive also had before.

7th December 2008	#1
dogmatic	Shimano 600 vs 105 Which is higher up in the shimano quality hierarchy, 105 or 600? Isn't 600 the old ultegra?
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7th December 2008	#2
hippy	Yes. 600 would be higher spec. but you have to factor in the fact it's older.. so some parts of the new 105 groupo will be better than parts from a 600 groupo. Outboard BB is one example.
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tynan	600s are 495 better than the 105s.
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Ste_S	Which 600 cranks are they ? Some have the self extracting bolt set up, which has it's pros and cons
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7th December 2008	#18
MrSmyth	i have a pair of the new dura-ace cranks here. they are objects of beauty, a real bargain at £280
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dicki	old 600's look nicer campy record-a-likes - ish
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