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Old 30th July 2013   #51
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^ Anyone on here?
Nah, another forum.

I'll tell you what, though, there's nothing quite like a well-liked forum user turning out to be a child rapist to bring an entire web forum crashing to its knees as everybody argues about who else is part of the secret ring and fingers get pointed in all directions. Maybe the government have the right idea after all?
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Old 30th July 2013   #52
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Nah, another forum.

I'll tell you what, though, there's nothing quite like a well-liked forum user turning out to be a child rapist............................................ .................................................. ................. fingers get pointed in all directions.
Lets not go there.
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Old 30th July 2013   #53
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Those aren't fingers.
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Old 30th July 2013   #54
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I imagine it would make the banter in the moderators requests thread a bit strained.
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Old 30th July 2013   #55
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Don't the 'Islamists' organise their terror activities and distribute decapitiation videos on internet forums?

If the kiddie fiddling doesn't hold enough weight, that'll scare Joe Public in to acquiescing while Cameron steals our fucking liberty.
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Old 30th July 2013   #56
Ramaye
I have written to my MP voicing my support as the sooner seditious sites like libdemvoice.org are blocked through the default filters, the better our democracy will be.
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Old 30th July 2013   #57
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One point of information. My understanding is that this proposal is not to block child pornography but to stop children having access to pornography.

Clearly child pornography is wrong and illegal. This is, however something else.

At present parents have a responsibility to stop pornography being accessed by their children. They can use filters. If they do, their kids are likely to see pornography at friends' houses, either on the internet or DVD.

The idea that filters should be imposed on everyone unless they opt out doesn't work. Most kids will be able to see porn anyway or will have the ability to opt out on behalf of their parents.

Older people will not be so savy and will not be able to opt out. So kids will see porn and older people will not.
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Old 30th July 2013   #58
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Or the kids can create a VPN tunnel to a country where there is no restrictions.
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Old 30th July 2013   #59
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Emailed MP
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Old 30th July 2013   #60
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Or the kids can create a VPN tunnel to a country where there is no restrictions.
I've got a feeling that ISP's will be asked to report on encrypted traffic volumes/originating IP's and so on.
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Old 30th July 2013   #61
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They already do. It was documented in some of that Snowden stuff.
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Old 30th July 2013   #62
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They still can't see the content without a bunch of time spent decrypting it.
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Old 30th July 2013   #63
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No, well- hopefully, anyway.

But having an encrypted tunnel is probably enough to get them to want to take a better look at you- after all, if you had nothing to hide then you'd not be encrypting anything would you?
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Old 30th July 2013   #64
Ramaye
Unless you are part of the foil hat wearing brigade.

He'll be along soon.
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Old 30th July 2013   #65
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No, well- hopefully, anyway.

But having an encrypted tunnel is probably enough to get them to want to take a better look at you- after all, if you had nothing to hide then you'd not be encrypting anything would you?
In that case teenage boys across the country will be putting their parents on the terrorist watch list as a result of their quest for porn.
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Old 30th July 2013   #66
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Dear Siobhain McDonagh,

I have been reading with concern information surrounding Mr Cameron's "porn censorship" Bill.

Leaving aside the generally distasteful nature of any kind of mass censorship, the government appears to be using "child pornography" as an excuse to block all kinds of other content, from genuinely useful websites (for example eating disorder websites which could provide support and assistance to people suffering with these conditions; or websites about alcohol, which could potentially include information on alcohol dependence and overcoming alcohol related problems), to websites so vaguely defined as to be absurd (including "web forums", which would includes popular sites such as Mumsnet , the consumer action group and Moneysavingexpert; and "esoteric" sites which, without clarification, is completely meaningless).

The Open Rights Group has published information here after speaking to ISPs about what they have been asked to implement: https://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog...nto-censorship

Had it not been for some of the sites which would doubtlessly fall under the wide reaches of this proposed filter my mother who is severely limited in her mobility due to poor health would not have had access to the essential information and resources she needed to successfully appeal her case after her appalling treatment at the hands of the atos attack dogs the government have seen fit to sick on the disabled and would have been forced to live on an even more meager amount than she does now.

As someone who is of a technical bent I am aware the system may be opted out of but for those who are not tech savvy like my mother this system will undoubtedly mean that information they desperately need is kept from them that they may not be able to access because they lack the requisite skills.

It is my hope that you will understand how damaging this Bill is to the right of the UK's citizens to live their lives without large-scale, government-mandated censorship. It is also my hope that you intend to bring this matter to the attention of Mr Cameron who seems unable to comprehend the implications of his own scheme.

The Internet is truly one of the pinnacles of human achievement. To have a repository of the bulk of human knowledge available at arms reach for almost every person in developed countries is truly a wonderful thing and something that should not be censored based on the arbitrary whims of people who have already shown that they do not understand the technology enough to make such an important and destructive decision based on facts rather than knee jerk reactionary politics to appease those who see danger in anything they do not understand.


I look forward to your reply.

Yours sincerely,
funged bother's email into something as couldn't be bothered to try and articulate it all myself.

no copypasta allowed on writetothem but feel free to modify mine as is needed.

also just realised the mp for mordor's name is a bit like sauron. ha!
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Old 30th July 2013   #67
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No, well- hopefully, anyway.
But having an encrypted tunnel is probably enough to get them to want to take a better look at you- after all, if you had nothing to hide then you'd not be encrypting anything would you?
Good luck to them. I encrypt all the traffic from my phone now so I hope they do waste their time decrypting it.

Everyone who encrypts stuff is contributing to the noise:signal ratio for these pricks that think they can just monitor us for no good reason than their own political ends.
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Old 30th July 2013   #68
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Oh I agree, it's a kind of steganography almost- if you encrypt ALL THE THINGS then you can almost hide the actual secret communication in plain site, in amongst everything else.

If nothing else it will make Intel and AMD a pot of money as the gub'mint has to buy larger and larger super computers in order to decrypt your posts to Twitter.
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Old 30th July 2013   #69
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*applies for government security analyst job*
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Old 30th July 2013   #70
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Good luck to them. I encrypt all the traffic from my phone now so I hope they do waste their time decrypting it.

Everyone who encrypts stuff is contributing to the noise:signal ratio for these pricks that think they can just monitor us for no good reason than their own political ends.
how are you doing the encryption? just vpn connection?
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Old 30th July 2013   #71
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OpenVPN + iVPN

VB described the setup in the Android thread I think.
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Old 30th July 2013   #72
hippy
 
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I want a similar setup for the desktop machine but haven't got around to it yet.

Bring the noise!
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Old 30th July 2013   #73
HatBearddonor
 
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i have vipervpn app + subscription but i assumed it would kill the battery having it running 24-7
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Old 30th July 2013   #74
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It does increase battery use but I'm not usually away from a charger for long.
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Old 30th July 2013   #75
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fwiw if you have a vpn sub with a us presence and a netflix account when you open the netflix app and you're tunnelled to the states it automatically gives you access to the us library which is much better than the uk one.

but we're getting off topic sorta.
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Old 30th July 2013   #76
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Le hmm
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Old 30th July 2013   #77
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Older people will not be so savy and will not be able to opt out. So kids will see porn and older people will not.
Tell me about it. Older people can't even spell 'savvy'.
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Old 30th July 2013   #78
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savy is street slang for saville.

Last edited by HatBeard; 30th July 2013 at 15:00. Reason: *it's not really.
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Old 30th July 2013   #79
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I want a similar setup for the desktop machine but haven't got around to it yet.

Bring the noise!
What are you gonna use when you get it setup?, I'm keen to go down a similar route.
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Old 30th July 2013   #80
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Will be writing to my MP when I'm back at my putah... Crazy business...
Letter bomb?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+make+a+letter+bomb
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Old 31st July 2013   #81
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From my MP:

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I do not believe that the arrangements to protect children from hard core porn online will affect a forum to discuss cycling! I think that men, who think that viewing hard core porn without let or hindrance is some kind of human right, are deliberately exaggerating the effect of the suggested arrangements

yours,
faithfully ,
Diane Abbott MP
Shadow Public Health Minister
www.dianeabbott.org.uk
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Old 31st July 2013   #82
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wow.
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Old 31st July 2013   #83
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Old 31st July 2013   #84
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haha, how fucking sexist and ignorant.

As fucked up as the US is, at least they know / understand the internet (and are currently trying to spy on everyone)
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Old 31st July 2013   #85
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Skydancer, you really need to make that more public than here. That's fucking unbelievably naive. Do we really want people this limited trying to run the country ? ( I say trying because clearly she's not atm)
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Old 31st July 2013   #86
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From my MP:
I feel I've been defamed.

Or you have.
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Old 31st July 2013   #87
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We all have...

Outrageous allegation
Will tweet this Kirth
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Old 31st July 2013   #88
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Diane Abbott is an idiot. Unfortunately she's also my MP. Apart from being a sexist ignoramus, she's also a massive hypocrite. If someone said that sentence and replaced it with women she'd be the first to complain.

She also spends far too much time appearing in the media, mostly promoting Diane Abbott. She's a terrible constituency MP, she doesn't give a shit.

She's pretty much the worst thing about living in Hackney. She makes me embarrassed to be a Labour party member :(
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Old 31st July 2013   #89
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I suppose we shouldn't be surprised that she's sexist, given that we already knew she was racist (she tweeted "White people love playing 'divide and rule' We should not play their game" in January 2012).
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Old 31st July 2013   #90
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on the plus side, her website times out so I guess someone's pissed off with her (or the US has barred it)
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Old 31st July 2013   #91
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Is she really that naive and stupid though? seems like a deliberate brush off, although insinuating that your concerned constituent is either "deliberately exaggerating the effects" or associates with and has been misled by people who are, seems like a strange response. Does she not realise that viewing hardcore porn is perfectly legal?
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Old 31st July 2013   #92
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Does she not realise that viewing hardcore porn is perfectly legal?
Only if you are over 18.
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Old 31st July 2013   #93
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"web forums" and "esoteric content" are perfectly legal.
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Old 31st July 2013   #94
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second, has she ever read this forum ? I'm sure she'd be in the front line to add it to the barred list :P
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Old 31st July 2013   #95
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She should check out the kiddie stuff on mumsnet
#deliberatelyexaggeratingtheeffects
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Old 31st July 2013   #96
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mumsnet is full of kiddie porn?
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Old 31st July 2013   #97
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Only if you are over 18.
I assumed that the "men" she referred to are (in her mind) over 18.
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Old 31st July 2013   #98
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mumsnet is full of kiddie porn?
Not exclusively

There's a
nappy thread
baby oil thread
breast thread
and probably a helmet thread
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Old 31st July 2013   #99
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Those mums and their lust for helmets..
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Old 1st August 2013   #100
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So my work blocks this site:
"
Reason:
The Website you trying to access is categorized as Adult Material.
URL:
http://www.lfgss.com/subscription.php"

That's the default filters, and guess what it's blocking on ? Yup, matching subscription.php :S If you go to any other page it's fine, and if you switch on https it's fine too (inc sub page). So retarded.

The good news is, they are not doing DPI (deep packet inspection). Last time someone in the UK tried that (and before with Phorm) and they got majorly smacked by the EU Commision for breaching the ePrivacy Directive and Data Proection Directive. Fun bit is the EU highlighted how it was a breach of the UK's Regulation of Information Powers Act.
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