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Old 4th March 2013   #51
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1. You can do an emergency stop, what brake do you use? Shimano

2. You are passing a side road, whereabouts would cycle training now advise you pass? At the test centre

3. Where’s the chain on the easiest gear combination of your multi-geared bike? On the sprocket of the hub gear

4. On your journey there are 10 junction turns you make- how many times do you indicate? Orange

5. What turn is unusual for vehicles but easy and common for bikes? Handlebars

6. There is a best place to ride in queuing traffic- where is it? On the hoods

7. What 3 reasons is this best place to ride? Cheerful

8. Youre turning left of a main road- wheres your hands? End of my arms

9. Of the 2 positions to ride on the road, which is the dominant one that sounds like your first school? High Stile Junior

10. And which submissive one matches the name of the most mature school? King Edward VI Grammar

11. What 2 bike care actions keep you rolling better than anything else? Lock and insurance

12. Where do you want to avoid going into whilst on the road? A shamanic trance

13. Which green box isn’t always the answer to a better journey? Parliament Menthols

14. What might happen to most of the urban cycle lanes you come across? The green colour might fade over time

15. Which famous tube station instruction would we be best advised to take? Report any suspicious packages
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Old 4th March 2013   #52
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Old 6th March 2013   #53
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When the training is delivered to schools there is no follow up, no days out on bikes organised or other activities to show to the kids the kinds of fun that can be had cycling.
+1!
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Old 11th March 2013   #54
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^ Used to do a L3ish holiday scheme in Cov Council for L2 riders, which ended on day 5 with a ride out of town, putting the theory into real practice.

It wasn't complete exposure to life on Coventrys busier roads, but better than nowt & a nice follow-up to the schools sessions.
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Old 11th March 2013   #55
RPM
Why do more people need to take up cycle training?

Will demand not naturally grow as cycling for transport becomes ever popular?
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Old 11th March 2013   #56
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Many people are either not aware that training exists and would help them overcome their fear of cycling or make their cycling more efficient
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Old 11th March 2013   #57
RPM
I suppose there needs to be a balance between actual usefulness and the public's perception of being 'forced' (encouraged) to go through with it.

I'm sure most drivers who don't cycle would agree with you that more people should have cycle training, especially on a compulsory basis.
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Old 11th March 2013   #58
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Yes of course some drivers do think anyone who cycles should get training (like they had to to drive). What they don't think is that they can harm other people and do harm thousands through their choice of transportation but people who cycle rarely harm. They also don't think that if people had to train before cycling fewer people would cycle so more would drive = congestion!

Few cycle trainers would support training compulsion, most would recommend training as a route to more efficient cycling.

I suppose the question is why so few appreciate the value of input from an expert in urban cycling skills whereas in many other fields no one would doubt the benefit of ... say guitar tuition, or language teaching or fencing coaching

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Old 12th March 2013   #59
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I suppose the question is why so few appreciate the value of input from an expert in urban cycling skills whereas in many other fields no one would doubt the benefit of ... say guitar tuition, or language teaching or fencing coaching
Excellent question. In most countries, instructors and coaches are respected for their knowledge and hard work they put in to the furthering of that knowledge and experience.

I'm sure driving instructors here are more 'tolerated' rather than respected, whereas sports coaches, instructors and trainers are often looked at with derision and suspicion. How many people snigger with dismissal when someone says they're a personal trainer?

All part of the UK society attitude that "I know what's best for me". Probably something to do with the war.
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Old 12th March 2013   #60
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we have peculiar attitudes here. the "those that can, do. those that can't, teach" being a prime example. there is also the gentleman/players notion, that people should just demonstrate their innate ability rather than train to improve themselves (including taking instruction)
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Old 12th March 2013   #61
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The proliferation of piss-poor pseudo-experts doesn't help, whether they're doers, teachers, or both. I don't know if it's a lack of self-awareness, insecurity about admitting gaps in expertise, or just con-merchantry and exploitation.
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Old 12th March 2013   #62
RPM
The one begat the other.

I see poor practice all the time, the mistakes stemming from lack of knowledge don't bother me half as much as the unwillingness to learn from those mistakes. Dropping the ego is obviously seen as a weakness and an admission of incompetence, when in reality it's neither.
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Old 12th March 2013   #63
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Yes a core element in a good coach/teacher/instructor/trainer is that of reflective practice, of ongoing development through the understanding that there is no such thing as a perfect session.

A good trainer learns much from their students. They admit a knowledge gap where one exists. Trainers do need some ego and good self knowledge
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Old 15th March 2013   #64
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1. Both.

2. After the side road.

3. SS.

4. 10. Unless the turn is particularly quiet AND OR difficult to balance with one hand on the handlebars whilst turning.

The latter is a recurring mistake that I need to work on which is due mostly to not thinking far enough ahead.

5. Maneuvering from one side of a lane to another.

6. There is a best place to ride in queuing traffic- where is it?

- The centre of your lane. The "Primary riding position".

7.

1. To discourage cars trying to squeeze past.
2. Simplify the cyclists decision making process at a junction i.e. instead of staying left if turning left and right if turning right etc.
3. Make yourself more visible to cars queuing behind you, so you don't get "pushed" onto the curb.


8. One on the right handle with fingers over front brake lever. The other in the air, signalling left.

9. Primary (in the centre of the road).

10. Secondary (Somewhere between the centre of the road and the curb)

11. Cleaning, tightening and oiling my chain. Also cleaning my wheel rims with Surgical Spirit and inflating my tyres occasionally.

12.

McDonalds. The back of a car. An open passenger door, as well as a removals van with a ramp.
Seriously: The wrong lane. National Speed limit roads. Footpaths and narrow 2 way stretches of road. The bit between an HGV and a
bend.

13. The cyclist box at the traffic lights. Because of undertaking.

14. Get busier, hopefully.

15. Dunno who jmf is and I live in Newcarstle.
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Old 16th March 2013   #65
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Surely the answer to #4 is "as many times as necessary, given the circumstances".

Q5. Pedal turn, and Nocturne. ;)
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Old 16th March 2013   #66
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Send you the answers later Andy, as yes you're right.
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Old 16th March 2013   #67
Sashaa
Really helpful thanks!
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Old 16th March 2013   #68
j.m.f
What was ?
The aim of the quiz is to get grey matter moving as well.
If you are curious as to the answers p.m me.
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Old 16th March 2013   #69
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Thanks for the PM j.m.f.

I agreed with most of them especially:

12. Gaps between parked vehicles

I'm always tempted by those, especially when tired towards the end of a decent ride.
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Old 16th March 2013   #70
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The one begat the other.

I see poor practice all the time, the mistakes stemming from lack of knowledge don't bother me half as much as the unwillingness to learn from those mistakes. Dropping the ego is obviously seen as a weakness and an admission of incompetence, when in reality it's neither.
Obviously
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Old 16th March 2013   #71
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1. You can do an emergency stop, what brake do you use?-

All of them

2. You are passing a side road, whereabouts would cycle training now advise you pass?

Somewhere visable

3. Where’s the chain on the easiest gear combination of your multi-geared bike
a) Front cog-smallest/ rear cog- biggest or b) front cog-biggest/ rear cog- smallest?

neither


4. On your journey there are 10 junction turns you make- how many times do you indicate?

Multiple options tick as many boxes please

5. What turn is unusual for vehicles but easy and common for bikes?


I don't know - turn up on time ?


6. There is a best place to ride in queuing traffic- where is it?

Depends on where is it

7. What 3 reasons is this best place to ride?

There are more than 3 reasons

8. Youre turning left of a main road- wheres your hands?

Depends on where you are


9. Of the 2 positions to ride on the road, which is the dominant one that sounds like your first school?

Play group

10. And which submissive one matches the name of the most mature school?

Gutter Street High


11. What 2 bike care actions keep you rolling better than anything else?

Tyres and brakes

12. Where do you want to avoid going into whilst on the road?

Too much choice - err a pothole

13. Which green box isn’t always the answer to a better journey?

When the green box is a fucking plastic carrier bag


14. What might happen to most of the urban cycle lanes you come across?

they appear to go off the edge of the world

Which famous tube station instruction would we be best advised to take?
jmf ‘Being the rider drivers wish they could be’
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Old 25th March 2013   #72
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Why can't the CTC/LCC do something like this?




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Old 25th March 2013   #73
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Not LCC/CTC this guidance should be in the highway code and in the driving test.
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Old 25th March 2013   #74
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Every lane is a bike lane....brilliant, should be in public eye/papers and as sky dancer says ^.

Last edited by JonD; 25th March 2013 at 20:53.
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Old 25th March 2013   #75
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Not LCC/CTC this guidance should be in the highway code and in the driving test.
Then why do they not speak of this more often?
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Old 4th June 2013   #77
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Does anyone have any links to figures about women taking up cycle training? I'm of the understanding that way more women sign up but I'd like to know the facts!
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Old 10th June 2013   #78
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I train adults for Islington and Camden. I would guestimate that at least 80% are women. Can't give hard numbers but you have heard right based on my experience.
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Old 12th June 2013   #79
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1. You can do an emergency stop, what brake do you use?
Front, its the only one i has

2. You are passing a side road, whereabouts would cycle training now advise you pass?
by staying on teh road you are on

3. Where’s the chain on the easiest gear combination of your multi-geared bike

a) Front cog-smallest/ rear cog- biggest or b) front cog-biggest/ rear cog- smallest?

4. On your journey there are 10 junction turns you make- how many times do you indicate?
Personally, probably twice, 3 tops

5. What turn is unusual for vehicles but easy and common for bikes?
carving infront of traffic

6. There is a best place to ride in queuing traffic- where is it?
Through the gaps

7. What 3 reasons is this best place to ride?
path of least resistance, quickest way there, minimal mirror bashing

8. Youre turning left of a main road- wheres your hands?
on the bars

9. Of the 2 positions to ride on the road, which is the dominant one that sounds like your first school?
Hamstel? makes no sense.

10. And which submissive one matches the name of the most mature school?
NIghtschool? makes less sense.

11. What 2 bike care actions keep you rolling better than anything else?
cake and coffee

12. Where do you want to avoid going into whilst on the road?
Basildon, alas i have to daily

13. Which green box isn’t always the answer to a better journey?
xbox games!

14. What might happen to most of the urban cycle lanes you come across?
they might attack, i heard they are a cyclepath

15. Which famous tube station instruction would we be best advised to take?
stand on the right
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Old 17th June 2013   #80
Brisdonor
Just asked in a couple of LBSs about cycle training. Admittedly a very small sample but neither seemed that clued up. One finally suggested I try the local council, fair enough, I suppose the other didn't offer any suggestions. I can't help thinking that if LBSs were more clued up (and even if they could not bring themselves to recommend it at least had a couple of leaflets) that it would encourage more people to take it up. Go on trainers, go and talk to the LBSs.
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Old 17th June 2013   #81
wiganwill
Where do you live? I think most bike shops in Hackney have been given leaflets and some do a really good job encouraging people to take up the training on offer.
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Old 18th June 2013   #82
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In Wandsworth.
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