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eeehhhh 29th May 2007 14:36

After a 45 minute walk home because of a flat from my friend's place this morning I think it's time to invest in a mini pump, rather than risk a long walk home :-/

I have yet to use a good mini pump that gets my tyres above 100psi, so can anyone recommend one? CO2 cartridges look really wasteful, so they're out the window.

Small, light(ish), less than £30. 100psi (actually pumps to that rather than the manufacturer claiming so), 140psi would be nice :P

hippy 29th May 2007 14:38

Small, light(ish), less than £30. 100psi (actually pumps to that rather than the manufacturer claiming so), 140psi would be nice :P[/quote]



Mini-Pumps List: (all pumping to 160psi, and some to 300psi or more)


Blackburn Mini Air Stick SL - ??mm, 58gr, 160psi
http://www.blackburndesign.com/road_pumps.html
Blackburn Mini Air Stick Two Stage - ??mm, 84gr, 160psi
http://www.blackburndesign.com/road_pumps.html
Blackburn Air Stick - ??mm, 160gr, 160psi
http://www.blackburndesign.com/road_pumps.html

Lezyne Shock Drive - 205mm, 84gr, 300psi
http://www.lezyne.com/index.php/prod...ock-drive.html
Lezyne Road Drive - 216mm (med), 90gr (med), 160psi
http://www.lezyne.com/index.php/prod...d-drive-m.html
Lezyne Carbon Road Drive - 216mm (med), 88gr (med), 160psi
http://www.lezyne.com/index.php/prod...d-drvie-m.html
Lezyne Micro Floor Drive HP - 300mm, 160gr, 160psi
http://www.lezyne.com/index.php/prod...-drive-hp.html
Lezyne Micro Floor Drive HPG with gauge - 300mm, 192gr, 160psi
http://www.lezyne.com/index.php/prod...drive-hpg.html

SKS Suspension Air Mechanic Shock - 270mm, 230gr, 360psi
http://www.sks-germany.com/sks.php?l...t&i=1375250000

Specialized WindPipe Shock - ??mm, ??gr, 220psi
http://www.specialized.com/bc/SBCEqP...=42020&eid=384

Topeak Mini Morph - 260mm, 170gr, 160psi
http://www.topeak.com/products/Mini-Pumps/MiniMorph
Topeak Micro Rocket CB - 160mm, 55gr, 160psi
http://www.topeak.com/products/Mini-Pumps/MicroRocketCB
Topeak Turbo Morph - 322mm, 280gr, 160psi
http://www.topeak.com/products/Mini-Pumps/TurboMorphG
Topeak Pocket Shock Dx W/gauge - 215mm, 170gr, 300psi
http://www.topeak.com/products/Mini-...PocketShockDXG
Topeak Propshock - 185mm, 170gr, 300psi
http://www.topeak.com/products/Mini-Pumps/PropShock
Topeak Micro Rocket CBT - 200mm, 70gr, 160psi
http://www.topeak.com/products/Mini-...MicroRocketCBT
Topeak Master Blaster Harpoon DX - 259mm, 215gr, 160psi
http://www.topeak.com/products/Mini-Pumps/HarpoonDX
Topeak Master Blaster Einstein DX - 243mm, 210gr, 160psi
http://www.topeak.com/products/Mini-Pumps/EinsteinDX

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Something quite different:
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Cyclaire Plus
http://www.cyclaire.co.uk/index.php?...d=12&Itemid=26
http://www.timani-ltd.co.uk/index.ph...4bb599338ced1d

My old Blackburn has saved my @rse many a time. Not sure if you can get them here.

Velocio 29th May 2007 14:41

I would've said gas canisters. But now I've frozen myself to one I'm less taken by them.

Roberto had a great pump, though I think the pressure indicator was off a little bit as I over-inflated it.

pip 29th May 2007 14:43

My suggestion for best `mini' pumps are the Topeak Road/Mountain morphs. Mountain is a little bigger but cheaper, road version has an inbuilt pressure gauge (about 25-30 quid).

Small enough to be carried in a bag but yet good enough to get yer tires around 100 PSI. Never had a problem with mine.

Its hard to pump above 100 PSI cause you don't have the mechanical leverage to do so with a mini-pump. The Mountain Morph I have seems to do a pretty good job getting to around the PSI you need to avoid punctures, without eating the heads off valves which lots of pumps like to do.

Lots of props for the Morph here.

d_c 29th May 2007 14:49

Another vote here for the Topeak pumps.

1bhp 29th May 2007 14:51

my votes for the topeak morph's, I've got a mini...
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=11315
is nice and small with the added bonus of a foot brace and flexible hose so you don't snap the valve.

hippy 29th May 2007 15:29

Quote:

velocity boy:I would've said gas canisters. But now I've frozen myself to one I'm less taken by them.
Roberto had a great pump, though I think the pressure indicator was off a little bit as I over-inflated it.
I used to own one of these and it self-destructed very quickly so I can't recommend 'em.

hippy 29th May 2007 15:30

Pick one from the list and road test it for us: :)
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/CategoryProducts.aspx?categoryName=Pumps%20-%20Manual&cat=Cycle

Knucklehead 29th May 2007 15:32

http://www.cyclaire.com/ are the only small pump I've found thats worth carrying. Does 120psi with ease.

31t®um 29th May 2007 15:35

that thing actually works???

Knucklehead 29th May 2007 15:43

Its great and comes with a saddlebag. You can also buy replacement parts (the rubber bits which connect to the valve) when its worn, which is always a good sign that something is built with longterm durability in mind. I'd say its better than a track pump for someone with limited strength too, as you can use your whole body instead of just your arms to operate it.

hippy 29th May 2007 15:47

But can you beat drivers with it like you can a track pump?

Knucklehead 29th May 2007 15:56

Well its got a 1m cord you pull out, is square and made of hardened plastic so I guess it would make a good mace-ing tool with some practice.

eeehhhh 29th May 2007 15:57

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hippy:But can you beat drivers with it like you can a track pump?
that's always the most important thing - a light u lock is nice to carry, but it means you have to work harder to beat them.

knucklehead - i'm really tempted by the cyclaire, but i usually buy new gadgety stuff and they turn out crap so i'm sceptical.

1bhp, dc, fixedpip - topeak looks good, plus it claims it can get upto 160psi which looks appealing.. my tyres are normally about 130-140psi anyway.

david - yeah i've frozen myself before in a chemistry lab, not good.

eeehhhh 29th May 2007 15:58

ahhh but the topeak has no gauge, decisions decisions...

Knucklehead 29th May 2007 16:03

If it helps swing you Mel who does lambeth cyclists maintainance classes uses one in the class. When I attended the class I saw it used successfully for 6 weeks by a group of novices without failure (well one person blew their tube up by putting too much pressure in but that was the persons fault and the pump still worked).

hippy 29th May 2007 16:07

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eeehhhh:
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hippy:But can you beat drivers with it like you can a track pump?
1bhp, dc, fixedpip - topeak looks good, plus it claims it can get upto 160psi which looks appealing.. my tyres are normally about 130-140psi anyway.
130-140psi.. for normal road use? I don't reckon my clinchers ever went over 110-120psi when racing.

hippy 29th May 2007 16:07

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eeehhhh:ahhh but the topeak has no gauge, decisions decisions...
Less to break/malfunction

eeehhhh 29th May 2007 16:16

Yeah, 130-140psi, normal road use. I haven't experimented, tbh. You think its too high?

Elvis 29th May 2007 16:26

maybe a tad high. i run 100-120 and thats rock hard for me.

hippy 29th May 2007 20:24

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eeehhhh:Yeah, 130-140psi, normal road use. I haven't experimented, tbh. You think its too high?
Yep.

Quoting the Lord (that's Sheldon Brown to you folk):
The higher the air pressure, the less the tyre will deflect.
The trade-off with this is that if you pump the tyre up too hard, you lose the benefits of pneumatic tyres: the ride becomes excessively harsh, and traction will be reduced. In addition, extremely high pressures require a stronger (heavier) fabric and stronger (heavier) rim flanges.
Rolling resistance does decrease theoretically with any increase in pressure, but with modern, high-quality tyres the rolling resistance at correct inflation pressure is already so low that the infinitesimal reductions gained are more than outweighed by the trade-offs.

Like I said, 100-110psi in MY opinion is sweet for reasonable road tyres. I might bump it to 120 for a nice, dry, short course but not often.

hippy 29th May 2007 20:26

Oh, as for pressure gauges, have one on your track pump at home but one on a emergency frame pump is a waste.
You should know tyres are at proper inflation by feel and pressure gauges are just more expensive, often inaccurate on frame pumps and something else to break.

pip 29th May 2007 21:45

eehhhh! Thats probably too high, most clincher rims aren't rated much above 125 PSI. Yep rim manufacturers do give maximum PSI ratings for rims for clinchers. Have seen older rims fail due to over inflation.

Also the road morph has a gauge. See here but as other posters have noted, most of these gauges are crude at best.

hippy 29th May 2007 22:34

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fixedpip:eehhhh! Thats probably too high, most clincher rims aren't rated much above 125 PSI. Yep rim manufacturers do give maximum PSI ratings for rims for clinchers. Have seen older rims fail due to over inflation.
That's another good point, especially true for older road rims that have been worn down with years of braking in the wet, gritty conditions present here..
Can you say 'rim explosion'?

slamm 29th May 2007 22:38

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hippy:
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fixedpip:eehhhh! Thats probably too high, most clincher rims aren't rated much above 125 PSI. Yep rim manufacturers do give maximum PSI ratings for rims for clinchers. Have seen older rims fail due to over inflation.
That's another good point, especially true for older road rims that have been worn down with years of braking in the wet, gritty conditions present here..
Can you say 'rim explosion'?
not without it sounding like a homo catastrophe…

hippy 29th May 2007 22:42

That's just a little more gross than I was thinking.. but I guess I've kinda been setting some kind of dodge precedent on here.. :S

MrSmyth 29th May 2007 23:33

Can you say 'rim explosion'?

not without it sounding like a homo catastrophe…

LOL!

eeehhhh 30th May 2007 07:44

lol! very homo.

hmm i'll drop the pressure down then when i go out today to around 120, see how it feels.

i guess i've got used to the possibly slightly bumpy ride, but i've put that down to the sh1t road surfaces.

(i checked mavic's site and the cxp22s are rated to 138psi... so i won't end up with my rim exploding, that would hurt.)

hippy 30th May 2007 08:41

If you keep bumping up and down on sh1t london roads you might.. :P

Mr Bungle 29th June 2007 00:44

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hippy:Oh, as for pressure gauges, have one on your track pump at home but one on a emergency frame pump is a waste.
You should know tyres are at proper inflation by feel and pressure gauges are just more expensive, often inaccurate on frame pumps and something else to break.
he's right you know.
buy a proper track pump for home (defo recommend a joe blow sport - 25 quid) - probably the best 25 quid
i ever spent on accessories.

mini pump is just for getting you home. i use this crank bros power pump
Goes up to 100 psi+ with 5 mins arm knackerage. Has a switch on the bottom to switch tween high volume (0-40psi)
& high pressure (40-100psi) for when the going gets tough.
Now that i know the above, if buying again i'd get the cheaper one without the pressure gauge.

lpg 29th June 2007 01:43

what about this pump

http://www.pumping.net/pump2.jpg

Velocio 29th June 2007 06:41

Quote:

Lois Einhorn:
Quote:

hippy:Oh, as for pressure gauges, have one on your track pump at home but one on a emergency frame pump is a waste.
You should know tyres are at proper inflation by feel and pressure gauges are just more expensive, often inaccurate on frame pumps and something else to break.
he's right you know.
buy a proper track pump for home (defo recommend a joe blow sport - 25 quid) - probably the best 25 quid
i ever spent on accessories.

mini pump is just for getting you home. i use this crank bros power pump
Goes up to 100 psi+ with 5 mins arm knackerage. Has a switch on the bottom to switch tween high volume (0-40psi)
& high pressure (40-100psi) for when the going gets tough.
Now that i know the above, if buying again i'd get the cheaper one without the pressure gauge.
I have that pump too, and it does get to 90 to 100psi. The gauge on it is also accurate. I've tested it a few times, and it is precise. I would buy the same pump again.

eeehhhh 29th June 2007 06:55

Yeah, the Joe Blow was the first accessory I bought, very good. I bought the topeak morph in the end - very pleased. I deflated my tyre to try the pump out when I first got it and it wasn't too knackering (less than i expected tbh)

31t®um 29th June 2007 07:50

joe blow again great pump, and got a blackburn AS-1 airstick, pretty good too.

BringMeMyFix 29th June 2007 07:58

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hippy:Oh, as for pressure gauges, have one on your track pump at home but one on a emergency frame pump is a waste.
You should know tyres are at proper inflation by feel and pressure gauges are just more expensive, often inaccurate on frame pumps and something else to break.
My thoughts entirely. Track pump w/guage at home; Topeak mini-pump rated to 120psish, no guage required.

I'm generally around 10st or 63kg when in racing mode (ie. not at the moment), and have only snake-bitten once on a wet day with 90 psi in the rear. Usually run (on 23mm) 100 in the front and 105 in the back, 5 psi more for well-surfaced races, and 5-10 psi less in the wet.

Less tyre pressure is a cheap way to get the same dampening effect as esoteric frame materials.

mdja 29th June 2007 10:04

My old Blackburn finally expired after 12 years, so I just picked up a little Topeak. Seems to do the job pretty well, rated to 160psi though I doubt I could get anywhere near that close without breaking my arm as it's tiny.

Mr Bungle 29th June 2007 10:17

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mdja:My old Blackburn finally expired after 12 years, so I just picked up a little Topeak. Seems to do the job pretty well, rated to 160psi though I doubt I could get anywhere near that close without breaking my arm as it's tiny.
mdja has a tiny arm!

http://images.jupiterimages.com/comm...5/23116533.jpg

Stef 30th June 2007 07:56

i have a topeak and i think it's crap...before you even gt close to 80psi you just wanna chuck everything in the middle of the road and walk away, get armadillos.

hippy 30th June 2007 08:26

Blackburn. I have an ancient one that's simple and still going strong.
I just bought another one for the Etape because I want to mount it on the frame rather than carry it in a jersey pocket.
Hopefully wont have to use it but will let ya know how it goes..

You don't seem to be able to get simple ones these days. They all have levers to lock on, they're fat, large handles and assorted other wank.
What happened to all the simple frame pumps? Fashion dictating function methinks. Oh, Specialized do a simple one but I refused to pay an extra £15 just because it was feckin' carbon fibre..

dicki 30th June 2007 11:17

i got me one of these small powerful pump features of a track pump yet only 10 - 20 cm long 100 - 120 psi easy
http://www.cyclepath.ca/products/item1271.htm

eeehhhh 30th June 2007 17:49

thats the topeak we were discussing but has the pressure gauge as well.

Stef 30th June 2007 18:56

nah that's the topeak that turns into a track pump,in my opinion the only compact pump worth buyimg.

eeehhhh 1st July 2007 07:33

ahh i see, just had a closer look on topeak's web site. some of their stuff looks pretty clever, but that "airfender" just looks absolutely shite, haha.

GA2G 25th August 2008 01:03

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Yesterday I finally bought a mini-ish pump that I feel happy with. Its the Specialized WindPipe. Its a small frame-mountable tyre and shocks pump. It does come with a guage (yes hippy, you're probably right about it breaking or going wrong), but since it was designed to pump suspensions on bikes also, I figured it would be reasonably accurate. It pumps to 220psi, and therefore I would never worry about repairing at roadside, and riding off with a too low pressure. It was £30 (I bought it at Ev*ns), which was double what other good mini-pumps cost, but it does feel pretty heavy duty, so I'm more comfortable with the cost. I'll give some feedback after I've used it.

50/14 26th August 2008 04:26

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Originally Posted by 31t®um (Post 14252)
joe blow again great pump, and got a blackburn AS-1 airstick, pretty good too.

+1

31t®um 26th August 2008 08:01

i take it back the blackburn airstick is fncking shite, keeps breaking the valve ends off.

hippy 26th August 2008 08:05

That's you breaking valves off ya fuckin' numpty!

31t®um 26th August 2008 08:20

not just me chunks, everyone who has ever borrowed the damn thing too

Platini 26th August 2008 08:29

You could always get a Presta to Schrader adaptor to carry on a keyring and then use a filling station airline...

GA2G 26th August 2008 08:53

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Originally Posted by Platini (Post 273246)
You could always get a Presta to Schrader adaptor to carry on a keyring and then use a filling station airline...

+1

I just bought a Presta to Schrader adaptor on Sunday for emergencies. It was 49pence at Ev*ns. Then I opened the pump I bought, and saw a better one attached to the pump already. Oh well, I'm bound to lose one.


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