• ^ Anyone on here?

    Nah, another forum.

    I'll tell you what, though, there's nothing quite like a well-liked forum user turning out to be a child rapist to bring an entire web forum crashing to its knees as everybody argues about who else is part of the secret ring and fingers get pointed in all directions. Maybe the government have the right idea after all?

  • Nah, another forum. I'll tell you what, though, there's nothing quite like a well-liked forum user turning out to be a child rapist............................................................................................................... fingers get pointed in all directions.

    Lets not go there.

  • Those aren't fingers.

  • I imagine it would make the banter in the moderators requests thread a bit strained.

  • Don't the 'Islamists' organise their terror activities and distribute decapitiation videos on internet forums?

    If the kiddie fiddling doesn't hold enough weight, that'll scare Joe Public in to acquiescing while Cameron steals our fucking liberty.

  • I have written to my MP voicing my support as the sooner seditious sites like libdemvoice.org are blocked through the default filters, the better our democracy will be.

  • One point of information. My understanding is that this proposal is not to block child pornography but to stop children having access to pornography.

    Clearly child pornography is wrong and illegal. This is, however something else.

    At present parents have a responsibility to stop pornography being accessed by their children. They can use filters. If they do, their kids are likely to see pornography at friends' houses, either on the internet or DVD.

    The idea that filters should be imposed on everyone unless they opt out doesn't work. Most kids will be able to see porn anyway or will have the ability to opt out on behalf of their parents.

    Older people will not be so savy and will not be able to opt out. So kids will see porn and older people will not.

  • Or the kids can create a VPN tunnel to a country where there is no restrictions.

  • Emailed MP

  • Or the kids can create a VPN tunnel to a country where there is no restrictions.

    I've got a feeling that ISP's will be asked to report on encrypted traffic volumes/originating IP's and so on.

  • They already do. It was documented in some of that Snowden stuff.

  • They still can't see the content without a bunch of time spent decrypting it.

  • No, well- hopefully, anyway.

    But having an encrypted tunnel is probably enough to get them to want to take a better look at you- after all, if you had nothing to hide then you'd not be encrypting anything would you?

  • Unless you are part of the foil hat wearing brigade.

    He'll be along soon.

  • No, well- hopefully, anyway. But having an encrypted tunnel is probably enough to get them to want to take a better look at you- after all, if you had nothing to hide then you'd not be encrypting anything would you?

    In that case teenage boys across the country will be putting their parents on the terrorist watch list as a result of their quest for porn.

  • Dear Siobhain McDonagh,

    I have been reading with concern information surrounding Mr Cameron's "porn censorship" Bill.

    Leaving aside the generally distasteful nature of any kind of mass censorship, the government appears to be using "child pornography" as an excuse to block all kinds of other content, from genuinely useful websites (for example eating disorder websites which could provide support and assistance to people suffering with these conditions; or websites about alcohol, which could potentially include information on alcohol dependence and overcoming alcohol related problems), to websites so vaguely defined as to be absurd (including "web forums", which would includes popular sites such as Mumsnet , the consumer action group and Moneysavingexpert; and "esoteric" sites which, without clarification, is completely meaningless).

    The Open Rights Group has published information here after speaking to ISPs about what they have been asked to implement: openrightsgroup.org/blog/2013/sleepwalking-into-censorship

    Had it not been for some of the sites which would doubtlessly fall under the wide reaches of this proposed filter my mother who is severely limited in her mobility due to poor health would not have had access to the essential information and resources she needed to successfully appeal her case after her appalling treatment at the hands of the atos attack dogs the government have seen fit to sick on the disabled and would have been forced to live on an even more meager amount than she does now.

    As someone who is of a technical bent I am aware the system may be opted out of but for those who are not tech savvy like my mother this system will undoubtedly mean that information they desperately need is kept from them that they may not be able to access because they lack the requisite skills.

    It is my hope that you will understand how damaging this Bill is to the right of the UK's citizens to live their lives without large-scale, government-mandated censorship. It is also my hope that you intend to bring this matter to the attention of Mr Cameron who seems unable to comprehend the implications of his own scheme.

    The Internet is truly one of the pinnacles of human achievement. To have a repository of the bulk of human knowledge available at arms reach for almost every person in developed countries is truly a wonderful thing and something that should not be censored based on the arbitrary whims of people who have already shown that they do not understand the technology enough to make such an important and destructive decision based on facts rather than knee jerk reactionary politics to appease those who see danger in anything they do not understand.

    I look forward to your reply.

    Yours sincerely,


    funged bother's email into something as couldn't be bothered to try and articulate it all myself.

    no copypasta allowed on writetothem but feel free to modify mine as is needed.

    also just realised the mp for mordor's name is a bit like sauron. ha!

  • No, well- hopefully, anyway. But having an encrypted tunnel is probably enough to get them to want to take a better look at you- after all, if you had nothing to hide then you'd not be encrypting anything would you?

    Good luck to them. I encrypt all the traffic from my phone now so I hope they do waste their time decrypting it.

    Everyone who encrypts stuff is contributing to the noise:signal ratio for these pricks that think they can just monitor us for no good reason than their own political ends.

  • Oh I agree, it's a kind of steganography almost- if you encrypt ALL THE THINGS then you can almost hide the actual secret communication in plain site, in amongst everything else.

    If nothing else it will make Intel and AMD a pot of money as the gub'mint has to buy larger and larger super computers in order to decrypt your posts to Twitter.

  • applies for government security analyst job

  • Good luck to them. I encrypt all the traffic from my phone now so I hope they do waste their time decrypting it. Everyone who encrypts stuff is contributing to the noise:signal ratio for these pricks that think they can just monitor us for no good reason than their own political ends.

    how are you doing the encryption? just vpn connection?

  • OpenVPN + iVPN

    VB described the setup in the Android thread I think.

  • I want a similar setup for the desktop machine but haven't got around to it yet.

    Bring the noise!

  • i have vipervpn app + subscription but i assumed it would kill the battery having it running 24-7

  • It does increase battery use but I'm not usually away from a charger for long.

  • fwiw if you have a vpn sub with a us presence and a netflix account when you open the netflix app and you're tunnelled to the states it automatically gives you access to the us library which is much better than the uk one.

    but we're getting off topic sorta.

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