• You know that porn filter everyone has been going on about?

    Turns out the filter is implemented by the same Chinese company who helped build the Great Firewall of China, but the far far more worrying thing is that it's default block a whole range of things that aren't porn and most definitely is censorship.

    openrightsgroup.org/blog/201­3/sleepwalking-into-censorship

    Of course, you could opt-out, but I wonder how many people will... only a few % ever change the defaults.

    What this means is that Microcosm may be doomed before we've really begun, and that LFGSS may be dead (along with most other forums) pretty damn soon.

    It's kinda crazy, I mean... they even have "esoteric material" as a banned category... who the hells decides what is esoteric?

  • We'll carry on working of course, but regardless of your political persuasion I hope you're lobbying MPs about this.

    If it all goes through as leaked, the reality is that it will deeply affect LFGSS, as well as other forums.

  • Lobbing MPs would be more effective.

  • absolutely bonkers,

    Although surely the UK isn't Microcosm's biggest potential market...

  • absolutely bonkers,

    Although surely the UK isn't Microcosm's biggest potential market...

    There are a few things:
    1) I think the proposed law is crazy and actually don't believe it will get through or be implemented.
    2) No, it's not, Europe (inc UK) and North America. But countries act like sheep and tend to copy each other, long-term if the UK did this it would start to impact elsewhere

    I think the issue that the government has with forums is the lack of real identity and accountability. It's come up frequently in bullying, defamation, terrorism stuff... that you just can't figure who said what and how to hold them to account.

    And regarding the first part... I really believe this will fail, but that doesn't mean I can be complacent or that you can be. It will only fail because of a strong reaction and push-back by voters to politicians.

    So it's not disaster... but whereas I thought "thin end of wedge" and that it could be left to the civil liberty groups, now I think "big end of wedge" and that it's actually up to everyone affected to speak up, which now includes every user of LFGSS and every other cycling forum, as well as Microcosm as a company working in this space.

  • scobles posts of willies might get blocked

    not all bad !

  • Could burn down parliament and kill all politicians... but I'm certainly open to alternatives???

  • I'm going to see my MP, one of those surgery things.

    I seriously do suggest that the least you, the reader, do is to take 10 minutes to write to your MP.

    Look here: theyworkforyou.com/mp/

    Once found, follow the links to write to them.

    And then just ask why on Earth "web forums" are going to be included in default-on preferences. Why the proposed filter of child porn has such wide reach so as to effect access to sites which refer to smoking. And how any MP of a democratic country can reconcile such broad censorship with being democratic.

    You might wish to emphasise that possessing child porn is already illegal, that the filter isn't going to stop paedophiles who will just work around it, but the filter does have broad and over-reaching impact on the average citizen who will now effectively live in an age of censorship.

  • You could mail the forum members and get them to email their MPs, even offer them a draft form of text for them to use.
    I wonder if this is also being discussed on Mumsnet?
    Might be worth people starting threads on other forums they visit

  • I'm lazy but someone elses nicely written email would be gladly forwarded on as my own.

  • guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/­2013/jul/26/why-such-outrage-porn-filter­s

    Why such outrage over porn filters? The idea seems perfectly reasonable to me

  • I wonder if this is also being discussed on Mumsnet?

    Hah, I just tweeted them:
    twitter.com/buro9/status/3608130­67447173122

    I'm not on Mumsnet, but somewhat ironic that they would be censored in the name of protecting the children.

  • I guess it's not all bad then.

  • I'm going to see my MP, one of those surgery things.

    I seriously do suggest that the least you, the reader, do is to take 10 minutes to write to your MP.

    Look here: theyworkforyou.com/mp/

    Once found, follow the links to write to them.

    Done.

    Dear Andrew Smith,

    Why on Earth are "web forums" going to be included in default-on preferences in the new porn filter?

    Why has the proposed filter of child porn such a wide reach so as to effect access to sites which refer to smoking. And I must ask you, how any MP of a democratic country can reconcile such a broad censorship of information with being democratic.

    I would point out that possessing child porn is already illegal, and that the filter isn't going to stop paedophiles who will just work around it. The filter will have broad and over-reaching impact on the average law abiding net citizen who will now effectively live in an age of censorship.

    Yours sincerely,

    Paul Rutter MA, BAhons

  • This what I wrote to my MP.
    It will at least make him aware of the issue:-

    Dear Troughsnuffler

    I am extremely concerned at the information about the "porn" filter that is being proposed.

    From the information I have seen it will require users to opt in to several things beyond pornography.

    I understand that it will include web forums. Like Mumsnet for example.

    Can you confirm that this is the case, and what is the purpose of limiting access to sites which are there for discussion?

    This seems to me to be unwarranted censorship.

    I look forward to hearing from you

  • I'll be taking this up with my MP and anyone else whose ear I can bend. And getting involved with ORG.

    Edit: using this to send an email, but I'll follow up with a letter if no reply - writetothem.com/

  • Done. Fucking Cameron. Just another way of trying to get control...

  • Fucking Cameron

    I really hope this is blocked in whatever world we end up in. Do Not Want

  • Lolz

  • That "anorexia and eating disorder websites" is a good one, fuck anybody with an eating disorder that might want to research it on the internet for some kind of assistance coping with it.

    Also alcohol, i hope that includes that well-known terrorist organisation, Alcoholics Anonymous. And beerintheevening.com and fancyapint.com too.

    Good work as always, Number 10!

  • I am writing to you to express deep concern at the opt-out ISP web content filter that has been proposed by the government.

    The Open Rights Group has published an article with an indication of the types of content that will be blocked by this filter: openrightsgroup.org/blog/201­3/sleepwalking-into-censorship

    It is my belief that filtering such content as "web forums" and "esoteric content" by default would be an extreme measure and one that is over-reaching.

    I understand the intent of this proposal, since protecting children online is a matter of great importance.

    However, if an ISP web content filter is to be implemented, I believe it should apply to a narrower jurisdiction than is set out in the list published by the Open Rights Group.

    I look forward to your response on this matter.

    puts away flowery language toolkit

  • Dear Chuka Umunna,

    I have been reading with concern information surrounding Mr Cameron's "porn censorship" Bill.

    Leaving aside the generally distasteful nature of any kind of mass censorship, the government appears to be using "child pornography" as an excuse to block all kinds of other content, from genuinely useful websites (for example eating disorder websites which could provide support and assistance to people suffering with these conditions; or websites about alcohol, which could potentially include information on alcohol dependence and overcoming alcohol related problems), to websites so vaguely defined as to be absurd (including "web forums", which would includes popular sites such as Mumsnet and Moneysavingexpert; and "esoteric" sites which, without clarification, is completely meaningless).

    The Open Rights Group has published information here after speaking to ISPs about what they have been asked to implement: openrightsgroup.org/blog/201­3/sleepwalking-into-censorship

    It is my hope that you will understand how damaging this Bill is to the right of the UK's citizens to live their lives without large-scale, government-mandated censorship. It is also my hope that you intend to bring this matter to the attention of Mr Cameron who seems unable to comprehend the implications of his own scheme.

    I look forward to your reply.

    Yours sincerely,

    bothwell,
    web forum terrorist

    stick your technological illiteracy up your fucking arses

  • Dear Cuntopisschops
    Why you take away my pornterrorism tipsboozefagsforums and useful websites that might sound a bit mucky to a robot?
    Snots and bubbles
    Otters

    .

  • Done. Fucking Cameron. Just another way of trying to get control...

    It amazes me that no one can spell his name properly.

    Camoron pls.

  • ^ Its to avoid the automated censorship dontcha know

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