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  • People in Japan sometimes don't lock their bikes, or use very light, easily breakable locks.

    The difference being that in Japan a symbol of ownership is usually enough to deter thieves, but in the UK you must physically stop people being able to take your bike away.

  • few crumbs off the Daft table, somethings in the air
    dft.gov.uk/news/statements/ba­ker-20120207/

    equates to about 3 miles of motorway building

    3 miles? That is being a bit generous.

    Also designed to be difficult to understand what the money is for as you would not want the plebs to actually start expecting something from you.

  • People in Japan sometimes don't lock their bikes, or use very light, easily breakable locks.

    The difference being that in Japan a symbol of ownership is usually enough to deter thieves, but in the UK you must physically stop people being able to take your bike away.

    In the UK you use a lock for exactly the same purpose. All bike locks can be broken, however, if you use a lock that will increase the time that it takes a thief to steal a bike, thereby increasing the likelihood of them getting caught they will, hopefully, not try to steal your bike and move on to an easier target. You are still using the lock to deter thieves though.

  • Rubbish if this were case then we would not punish people who commit crime, would we? Depending on your point of view you could argue that the judiciary system is too lenient on petty criminals but that is a different argument altogether.

    Er, what planet are you on? We don't punish everyone who commits crime. That's just it, not even about leniency when you consider that many thefts are not even investigated by the police. No crime no criminal no charge nothing to worry about sir, move along.

  • 3 miles? That is being a bit generous.

    Also designed to be difficult to understand what the money is for as you would not want the plebs to actually start expecting something from you.

    yeah 3 miles is a total guess,
    money to Sustrans is due to proven track record in building new/opening routes that people want, exclusive of infrastructure within towns.see website for info on Connect 2 etc over last 5 years.

    not sure what/ who the 'cycle rail working group' is sorry would have to dig for that info.

    it does need mentioning as an aside that the 560million that government is giving to projects Local Sustainable Transport Fund L.S.T.F
    which is being bid for as we speak contains a significant amount of cycling/ active travel promotion roles within respective Councils nationally.
    who ever would have thought transport would have gotten so lively

  • Er, what planet are you on? We don't punish everyone who commits crime. That's just it, not even about leniency when you consider that many thefts are not even investigated by the police. No crime no criminal no charge nothing to worry about sir, move along.

    Q. If you can be proven guilty in court of committing a crime are you punished?

    A. Yes.

    Q. Do I want to live in a country where the police can punish everyone who commits a crime because they watch people that closely?

    A. No therefore I will happily protect my property by locking it etc.

    Oh by the way: Daily Mail >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>­>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>­

  • Are you serious?

    Perfectly serious.

  • Why not tweet or email your MP and ask why they haven't signed this: parliament.uk/edm/2010-12/268­9

    I have just torn Diane Abbott a new arsehole. Presumably she will now speak through this one as well.

  • Q. If you can be proven guilty in court of committing a crime are you punished?

    A. Yes.

    Q. Do I want to live in a country where the police can punish everyone who commits a crime because they watch people that closely?

    A. No therefore I will happily protect my property by locking it etc.

    Oh by the way: Daily Mail >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>­>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>­

    I'd actually like to live in a society where police are able to watch people more closely and prosecute more criminals. You talk about it as though it's a Big Brother dystopia. Frankly, I think having a lot more bobbies on the beat catching every bike thief seems like a wonderful society.

    Maybe they could stop idiots from littering, spitting in the street, intimidating people on buses, etc, etc as well.

  • I always have a look round to check for pigs before spitting on the street

  • That's funny, because obviously they wouldn't do anything to stop that. But it's precisely that sort of anti-social behaviour that leads to worse things. Broken window theory, innit? Would be nice if coppers had the staff and time to eradicate it.

    Also, this thread's getting slightly derailed.

  • I'd actually like to live in a society where police are able to watch people more closely and prosecute more criminals. You talk about it as though it's a Big Brother dystopia. Frankly, I think having a lot more bobbies on the beat catching every bike thief seems like a wonderful society.

    Maybe they could stop idiots from littering, spitting in the street, intimidating people on buses, etc, etc as well.

    Why am I not surprised that a journalist who works where you do thinks that having police spying on everyone and arresting them as soon as they step foot out of line is a bad thing.

  • I don't think he's necessary saying that, just that it'd be nice to have more bobbies on the beat is all.

  • Frankly, the ratio of police on the beat to the number of people per policeman would be one of the more interesting historical graphs I can think of, especially if compared to the crime rates.

    I guess that you'd also have to take into account the number of things that are crimes too, as things are rarely decriminalised, and the number of new crimes on the statue books generally increases.

    Anyhow, this is now all a bit far from The Time Cycling campaign.

    Was there anything more in today's paper? I've had a peek a the website, and all the stuff that looked like it was linked seemed to be behind the paywall

  • My politics may not be what you think; I was against ID cards, against prolonged detention periods... The last thing I would want is some awful authoritarian state.

    But a touch of that 50s-era policing, where coppers tackled the little stuff, wouldn't go amiss. In my day-to-day life it's the small anti-social stuff that irritates most and degrades quality of life more than anything else. And if people do tiny stuff like that every day and get away with it, it breeds a feeling of complacency - they assume that they can do other things and get away with it.

    The teenager getting on a bus without paying and sneering at the driver could eventually end up doing something much, much worse.

  • But they might look at a melt in fluoro and think, shit, if I start cycling to work, I'm going to end up looking like a right bell-chief.

    Ahahahaha - bell-chief! Best thing to come out of this debacle.

  • My politics may not be what you think

    I know for a fact that you're a Sparxist.

  • I know for a fact that you're a Sparxist.

    It has been said.

  • They are: Rule 163 of the Highway Code:
    give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car (see Rules 211-215)

    The trouble with this rule is that it is meaningless. If you would only give half an inch of room to a car then this rule permits you to give only half an inch to a cyclist.

    In France the law is clearer and drivers give cyclists the whole lane.

  • ^ the other nice side effect of the 1m rule (I assume that's the French standard) is that if a car/lorry/whatever does hit a cyclist, the car driver can be asked "were you leaving them a meter of space? No? You're done bang to rights."

    makes crash investigation easier, and insurance claims easier.

  • What needed to be done is for driving instructor to stress the important of leaving cyclists enough room when overtaking.

    And then the driving instructor will able to pass it onto future generation of drivers, best way to get them to understand.

    Or just rerun this;

    [ame="youtube.com/watch?v=FTZIzggrb­zM"]Steer
    "]Steer
    Clear of Bikes - YouTube[/ame]

  • Q. If you can be proven guilty in court of committing a crime are you punished?

    A. Yes.

    Q. Do I want to live in a country where the police can punish everyone who commits a crime because they watch people that closely?

    A. No therefore I will happily protect my property by locking it etc.

    Oh by the way: Daily Mail >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>­>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>­

    You're a bit stupid really aren't you?

    "Daily mail" hah. Yeah right.

  • Perfectly serious.

    You think people look at hipsters riding along and think "oh, they're cool" ?

    Ahahahahahahahah!!

  • I think we can all keep this civil, can't we? There's a difference between heated debate and throwing personal insults around.

  • ^this

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