New TfL's HGV's can't see you for s*** poster

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  • f*** off somebody. you are a wanker...

  • good advice.

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  • I did this poster.

    It isn’t blaming cyclists. It’s instructing them to hold back and take care around lorries, especially left-turning lorries, at junctions, as the driver of the lorry literally cannot physically see any of the cyclists in this area. It’s that simple.

    Here’s a film we shot on the shoot to show that none of the bikes can be seen from the driver’s seat.

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    You may not agree but at the very least it’s got cyclists talking about it. Which is good, no?

  • The h'bar flyer is brilliant, I was not taking the piss.

    Hopefully the new mirrors will help too.

  • It isn’t blaming cyclists.

    Great.

    It’s instructing them to hold back and take care around lorries.

    And then you contradict yourself. If you think cyclists are the ones who should change, that implies you think they are currently in the wrong. This may seem like a lawyerish quibble, but i think it matters because it frames your whole approach to the problem. If you base your solution on telling cyclist to do things differently, then you have to tell ***all ***cyclists, or you will be endangering those who don't know the rules have changed.

    Here’s a film we shot on the shoot to show that none of the bikes can be seen from the driver’s seat.
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    You may not agree but at the very least it’s got cyclists talking about it. Which is good, no?

    That film is a lot better than the silly image-tracking thing.

    I agree it's a good poster, and i'm glad it's raising the profile of the issue, showing just how flawed lorries are.

    Incidentally, it looks like you had the perfect set-up to try my idea.

  • Why don't they just build all HGVs (tractors and rigids) like this:

    Seems like placing the driver's eyeline level with other road users would not only improve their vision but also cause them to be more cautious in general, as there seems to be a correlation between how high (and, to a lesser extent, how far behind the front bumper) you sit and how much of a twat you are as a driver (see Chelsea Tractors). Something to do with perspective, I imagine. I'd certainly be perpetually worried about running into stuff if I was placed that low and forward with 44 tonnes behind me.

    I realise that this is a radical transformation of the whole architecture of large vehicles, but it has happened before, when they switched from a "conventional" to a "cab-over" layout. Low-floor buses and large mobile cranes already have this layout (i.e. cab in front of the front axle instead of over it), so it looks feasible. Obviously changing the "Construction and Use" regulations to place an upper limit on driver's eyeline would, as an unintended consequence, outlaw tall bikes, but it's a small price to pay.

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  • "None of these cyclists can be seen because the HGV doesn't have decent mirrors, and even if it does, the driver is probably not looking at them anyway. Even if the driver hits you and is found to be not looking at the road, they will get a piddling fine and probably keep their licence"

  • That little video clip is very good!

  • Don't know if it's been posted yet, but here's an article by Charlie on recent initiatives and the LCC's new 'No More Lethal Lorries' campaign:

    guardian.co.uk/environment/gr­een-living-blog/2010/aug/02/hgv-lorries-­cycling-campaign

    Oliver
    LCC

  • I saw a non-tfl poster warning against undertaking stuck on the back of a bus yesterday. It was by one of the london groups (sorry can't remember who). I know that these things don't have the biggest budget in the world, and you have to make the best of what you've got, but the poster was quite bizarre - it showed a really clunky photoshop of a smashed bike and a girl crawling out from under the wheels of a HGV, with a twirly italic hard-to-read font spelling out 'don't undertake large vehicles' set at a weird angle (I had to get 2 feet away before I could read what it was even saying!). I know its important to get the message out, but the way it was constructed really struck the wrong cord with me.

  • (I had to get 2 feet away before I could read what it was even saying!)....struck the wrong cord


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  • I saw a non-tfl poster warning against undertaking stuck on the back of a bus yesterday. It was by one of the london cycling groups (sorry can't remember who). I know that these things don't have the biggest budget in the world, and you have to make the best of what you've got, but the poster was quite bizarre - it showed a really clunky photoshop of a smashed bike and a girl crawling out from under the wheels of a HGV, with a twirly italic hard-to-read font spelling out 'don't undertake large vehicles' set at a weird angle (I had to get 2 feet away before I could read what it was even saying!). I know its important to get the message out, but the way it was constructed really struck the wrong cord with me.

    Was it this one?

    lcc.org.uk/index.asp?Pageid=2024

    We're not very happy about this at all, see link.

  • Yeah it was that one, I was stuck waiting behind a bus on gridlocked waterloo bridge, so had plenty of time to double-take and make sure I wasn't imagining it, someone really did photoshop a cyclist being run over...

  • Wow, that poster is beyond shit at conveying it's intended message.

  • terrible.

  • absolute dogshit. looks like it was done in MS Paint

  • Close up of the fakery. image.bayimg.com/capenaacd.jpg

  • That poster is just terrible.

    By the way, our new HGV campaign has just been launched:

    lcc.org.uk/index.asp?PageID=1­911

    Oliver
    LCC
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  • Saw (the original) advert on the 'Youngs Brewery' billboard on the Wandsworth one way system. Its one of the biggest billboards around, and must get thousands of cars/trucks passing every day. Good show TFL! I quite like it, its simple and clear.

  • It's still missing the cycle lane;

  • Might be a repost but has anyone seen these? Apparently they were banned.

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  • staged.

  • wow.

    that's almost worse for what you don't see. Heart stopping.

    RIP

  • ok so having read the youtube comments, not RIP.

    RIP for all the real ones we haven't seen.

  • I don't understand why it's not mandatory for hgvs and other large or articulated vehicles to display a standard, prominent warning.

    Not that one, but something more obvious, simply "Cyclists. Do not pass this vehicle on the inside"

    It's not going to cost millions, much like blindspot mirrors, there seems no reason *not *to do it.

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