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  • Thread to discuss doping in sport.

    (edited from original post questioning long term affects for athletes with doping history)

  • My answer is: yes.

  • Ha, that's a tough one. I don't know anything much about the mechanics of training, but there certainly should be equal rules for all even governing training, so that among other things there was a clear understanding of which supplements and drugs are permitted or not.

    I personally think that doping is a logical consequence of elite sport, although the doping problem obviously occurs among amateurs, too (but there probably because they don't train enough in parallel with drugs).

    Everybody would like to see who's truly naturally and un-enhancedly good at sport, even though there are still factors in play like who has access to the best equipment etc., but I doubt it is ever going to happen.

    I see elite sport as mere entertainment and part of showbusiness, but that doesn't justify doping/cheating. In fact, it is arguably less entertaining if you know/suspect that someone's cheating. The moral issue doesn't go away.

    I don't know a great deal about the issues, though, and I've never been a competitive amateur athlete, either.

  • After the period of doping, between when it is safe to be drug tested and come up negative, would the body not reduce back to it's natural level due to the inability to train above your natural levels?

  • Vino is a cheating cunt.

  • WADA are having this exact debate right now BTW, it's the very same debate that has been ongoing since the introduction of performance enhancing drugs. I'd like to see for instance Gilbert take Vino to court for denying him the win at LBL as Vino had help albeit historic.

    That'd be interesting.

  • After the period of doping, between when it is safe to be drug tested and come up negative, would the body not reduce back to it's natural level due to the inability to train above your natural levels?

    How? if you continue to train then surely you are still getting the benefit from the period of higher training?

    If someone stops taking steroids, the muscles don't simply disappear do they? they can be maintained after that with normal "legal" training.

  • WADA are having this exact debate right now BTW, it's the very same debate that has been ongoing since the introduction of performance enhancing drugs. I'd like to see for instance Gilbert take Vino to court for denying him the win at LBL as Vino had help albeit historic.

    That'd be interesting.

    It's so intrinsic in the sport now that nobody even dared to complain or protest. I imagine people would start jumping if all the other riders had refused to take to the start line because of Vino.

  • How? if you continue to train then surely you are still getting the benefit from the period of higher training?

    If someone stops taking steroids, the muscles don't simply disappear do they? they can be maintained after that with normal "legal" training.

    I'm far from an expert, but to my understanding, to keep muscle development at a consistent level you need to keep training at that level. So when the person stops doping, they can no longer train at such a level, and as such their physical capabilities would drop to what they can do naturally.

  • I thought that too, hence the strange floppy skinned guidos / 'body builders' you see, where the skin can't cope with the rate of muscle wastage.

  • 4 years training + doping and he only gets silver? Fucking loser.

  • I'm far from an expert, but to my understanding, to keep muscle development at a consistent level you need to keep training at that level. So when the person stops doping, they can no longer train at such a level, and as such their physical capabilities would drop to what they can do naturally.

    How long does it take though? I'm talking about maintenance after the period of development. Would that really be unrealistic without the "help"?

    I would be interested to hear from a medical expert about this.

  • This thread is all about WIN.

  • I would be interested to hear from a medical expert about this.

    eufemiano.fuentes@hotmail.com

  • This thread is all about WINE.

    Mmmmm, vino.

  • Given that at the elite level the drugs of choice are those which are harder to detect rather than those which are most effective, and that given there is no testing in the lower ranks of the amateur arena, what are the best drugs to take to beat, erm, anyone at all on the LFGSS track day?

  • Given that at the elite level the drugs of choice are those which are harder to detect rather than those which are most effective, and that given there is no testing in the lower ranks of the amateur arena, what are the best drugs to take to beat, erm, anyone at all on the LFGSS track day?

    No idea, let me know if you find out.

  • Sort of depends whether you want a training aid beforehand, or a little extra pep on the day (but with increased risk of heart attack etc).

    I'm currently using Loratadine and Beclamethasone Diproprionate Monohydrate, but I have to do a shady deal via a 'doctor'.

  • Doping and the longterm effects for athletes?

    1. Cock rot.
    2. Balls gone bad (no baby gravy)
    3. Wind.
    4. Shrivelled legs (like a spazzy/mongoloid)
    5. Lesbianism.
    6. Dark and tarry stools.
    7. Massive upper body strength.
    8. Divorce.
    9. Cyclopsism.
  • this sounds fun..
    give me till wed , I'll trawl through some papers, and come back to you.

  • If you sent drugs cheats to a concentration camp for 4 years, after complete muscle wastage, would they then have gotten rid of the effects of doping? Or would muscle memory still give them the upper hand?

  • I'm going to start taking all manner of placebos. Apparently they're quite effective.

  • Given that at the elite level the drugs of choice are those which are harder to detect rather than those which are most effective, and that given there is no testing in the lower ranks of the amateur arena, what are the best drugs to take to beat, erm, anyone at all on the LFGSS track day?

    You'll have a new excuse apart from foot straps/gears.

  • This thread is all about WHINE.

    Shaaaaaaddup, loser. :)

  • I'm going to start taking all manner of placebos. Apparently they're quite effective.

    It's homeopathy that you want.

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