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  • As I'm getting shitty with the winter drivers on the roads, I'm thinking of building myself up a fixed/SS 29er and disappearing into the woods. However, at the risk of subjecting myself to the wrath of the community, I'm looking for some decent info as I know fuck all. Yes, I've UTFS, read 63xc, and googled etc, but there's not much for the first time builder. I know there's a few of you out there riding them & I would love your help/guidance/opinions... abuse etc.

    For an intro, how do you rate the slot dropout inbred, One-one frame? I won't be caining it too much for the moment, just weekends and small expeditions so no need for a Gary Fisher.

    Hardtails Vs full suspension or just a squishy fork on the front?

    Vertical Vs horizontal dops with tugs?

    Anyone with frames for sale or www's (apart from here of course) where I can find second handy bits?

    Thanks for reading

  • For an intro, how do you rate the slot dropout inbred, One-one frame? I won't be caining it too much for the moment, just weekends and small expeditions so no need for a Gary Fisher.

    Dont own one, but would defo buy one for knocking around, they're pretty tough and versitile frames from what i hear. Love the new orange colour. There's a grossly out of date (sorry) list of MTN frames here:
    londonfgss.com/thread11107.ht­ml
    If it fits, this is a bargin.
    londonfgss.com/post1096777-59­.html

    Hardtails Vs full suspension or just a squishy fork on the front?

    Personal choice, and it depends were you are riding but for me, if you want full sus, go 26" you'll get more travel. 29" wheels with fat tyres, suit fully rigid set-up (IMHO). In any case a decent rigid fork is very cheap, compared to a decent sus fork. So its worth trying that first.

    Vertical Vs horizontal dops with tugs?

    (tensioner not tugs)
    If you are running disc brakes then the easier set-ups are paragon drop-outs (as on that Kona), or a eccentric BB. The simplest option is slotted drop-outs with slotted disc brake mounts, but they are a bit more fiddly to set-up.

    Paragon (slidding) drop-outs.

    Eccentric BB

    Anyone with frames for sale or www's (apart from here of course) where I can find second handy bits?

    29er specific parts are'nt so available second hand. But apart from the usual sites (EBay etc) there are some good forums.
    mbr.co.uk/forums/ubbthreads.p­hp

    Have fun!

  • Almost everything you need part wise is here charliethebikemonger.com/
    Thinking of building one of these next year, job permitting.

  • My Robin Mather is a 29er, sure it looks like a cyclocross or touring bike but it's actually a wolf in sheeps clothing.

    Sliding drops are wonderful. You get the simplicity of verticals with the tensioning of horizontals. EBB's by all accounts are a bit messy, if you find yourself with chain slack and you want to re-tension a bottom bracket caked in mud isn't where you want to be working... whereas loosening a few allen bolts and pulling the back wheel feels very natural (especially to those who ride fixed and are used to tensioning this way).

    The On-One frame is a beast. In a good way. It's a very pared down and strong bike. I like the ends they have, in fact I was very tempted to go with something very similar on mine as they are technically really nice but I felt they lacked the elegance I was looking for. The hard forks they sell with the frame are pretty awesome too, but if you're taking it off-road proper then you may well want a soft front... though I'd keep with a hard-tail.

    This photo from the On-One blog shows how clean the frame is:
    on-one-shop.co.uk/wp-content/­uploads/2009/07/dsc00318.jpg

    I've got clearance on the Mather for tyres like that but haven't yet gone there (though if this kind of weather threatens to persist for weeks or months I surely will).

    I'm pretty sure Object could give some advice, I think he's been perving over 29ers for ages.

  • Almost everything you need part wise is here charliethebikemonger.com/
    Thinking of building one of these next year, job permitting.

    Those Karate Monkeys look fanatastic with midge bars.

    Looks like Charliethebikemonger still has some Salsa El Marachi Frame & Forks 2007 on sale.

    As for the whole drop-out question. My spot has slotted drop-outs and strangely designed chain tugs. I have a very very long guide bookmarked on how fix a puncture, and achieve good tension again :(

  • get a singular peregrine... mine was fun this morning in the snow!

    and no- depending on your local trails of course you probably don't need any bouncyness - 29er tyres have a shit load of air in them and give you a great cushy ride - if you want to get rid of trail buzz get a carbon fork

    p.s my other mtb is a ti 69er with carbon forks and it's been round most of the 7stanes rigid (tbh not fun some of the time) so you can most likely ride any XC trail rigid

    also look at the singular swift/griffin/pegasus - all brilliant 29ers (i've 'raced' on them all)
    farm5.static.flickr.com/4040/4194­131069_c34b5bdc93_b.jpg

  • I'm pretty sure Object could give some advice, I think he's been perving over 29ers for ages.
    I know what I usually like in mountain bikes and can certainly apply that knowledge to when I build a 29er but I wouldn't be confident giving that information to other people as it's an extrapolation and not factually based. Basically, I have not owned a 29er and as such am not qualified to give opinion on some of the factors.

    I defer the answering of all questions to smallfurry.

  • I've been looking at the on one 29er frame for some time now. I like the look of it because it sounds strong and can be geared or ss. I don't have any personal experience on 29ers but regarding suspension I'd always start off rigid, then add suspension after a while if you feel it is needed. My personal take on suspension is that unless you live somewhere with seriously hardcore trails it just takes everything down a level. You have to find tougher stuff for it to be a challenge.

  • I've got a Gary Fisher Paragon, love it, its a great bike. Found the transition from 26" easy and felt right almost straight away. If your wanting something cheaper the on ones are great value and get good reviews. I thing GT do a single speed 29er quite cheap, a guy at my work has one and raves about it. If your going for something cheap definately don't get a full sus, you'll be better off with a hardtail or fully rigid.

  • I defer the answering of all questions to smallfurry.

    I further defer to Tilover. hes put together several amazing 29er's, and if I remember rightly, has been involved in a few SS specific events in the UK.

    Smallfurry = Internet expert ;)

  • Good call.

  • Ah ha! Great thanks for all the advice everyone. I think there's a general consensus that sticking with fully rigid is the way to go, especially as I'll be riding mostly in the not so rocky English countryside, and I'm definitely no expert.

    If it fits, this is a bargin.
    londonfgss.com/post1096777-59­.html

    I think this Kona bargain (thanks smallfurry) may just be the frame for me as 16" is my size & I'm partial to a bit of green! I'm guessing its a better frame compared to the on-one at the same price?

    (tensioner not tugs)
    If you are running disc brakes then the easier set-ups are paragon drop-outs (as on that Kona)

    I'll be setting myself up with some disc, so an added bonus with the paragon drops on the Kona as well.

    if you want to get rid of trail buzz get a carbon fork

    Think this convinces me to invest in a carbon fork and move to a soft one if things get a little too rough (thanks tilover)

    Sliding drops are wonderful. You get the simplicity of verticals with the tensioning of horizontals. EBB's by all accounts are a bit messy, if you find yourself with chain slack and you want to re-tension a bottom bracket caked in mud isn't where you want to be working.

    That's what I was thinking myself, but it's nice to hear it from the horse's mouth. I don't really think I could be bothered faffing around with an eccentric BB anyway.

    As I know nothing about disk brakes, are you limited by the size of the rotor due to the frame/fork/hub etc, or does this completely depend on whatever components are bought as they're fairly generic? i.e can I fit, say, any a 203mm rotor/brake setup, or does it have to be specific to the frame?

    Thanks again for all the help everyone, and as you've no doubt save me time and money, I'll stick £20 into the forum.

  • @Tilover, nice rig like it.
    Ive been riding Gary Fisher Montare for 4 years, as a utility bike and some trail riding, loved the idea of a big wheel trail bike when I heard about it and they dont disappoint.
    these guys ^^ know they shizzle, good advice. The ultimate bike imo, and I posted pics somewhere here before is the Surly shown again on this thread, so adaptable and seriously good ride.

  • The frame will come with an IS mount, you can use an adapter to change most brakes to post mounts (Avid, hope etc)

    chainreactioncycles.com/Categ­ories.aspx?CategoryID=563

    Cheap as hell, most brakes come with the relevent one already and it will allow you to use any sized rotor on your frame.

    I'd seriously consider using a cable disk (Avid BB7) over a hydro as you get a far better brake for the money and they're much easier to setup/fix.


  • just found it, love this bike.................

    @Object, I didnt have good luck with Avid cable discs that came on the GF, bad alignment meant the cables were too stressed under use, so I swapped them for Hayes Nines that fitted perfectly onto existing set up. work a treat now.

  • You don't need 3 hands to fix the brakes with mechanical disc. Had to walk my mountain bike home when both hydrolics failed when I fell. Bleeding hydrolic brakes isn't much fun.

  • Great thanks for that Object... this is all stuff that I need to know. I wasn't sure which way to go, cable or hydro, and the BB7's get damn fine reviews too.

  • nice *m.f, the karate monkeys are a little out of my budget for now (damn Christmas)

  • Frame for life, though.

  • yeah, true... any thoughts on the Kona

    Kona Unit 2-9 frame reduced from £500 to £150. Nice versitile frame with slidding drop-outs and fits both Vee- or disk brtakes.
    rutlandcycling.com/13792/...1­2-2009-unit29

  • Don't know about that frame. A friend has a Kona Dew something for commuting and loves it. Only a few weeks old, but hasn't broken on the road yet.
    bikes.konaworld.com/09/09bikes/la­rge/2K9_DEWDROP.jpg

  • Thanks again for all the help everyone, and as you've no doubt save me time and money, I'll stick £20 into the forum.

    100% positive constructive thread. Win.

    We've done some touchy subjects too:
    29" vs 26"
    sus vs rigid
    best SS chain tension solution
    cable vs hydrolics

    Actually, I'm going to wade in and say Hydrolic FTW. But thats mainly because I have a set of these waiting for me when I get back to the homeland for crimbo.

    BTW. eXoctic do some budget carbon forks, which come up on Ebay alot.
    cgi.ebay.co.uk/eXotic-29er-Rigid-­Carbon-MTB-Bike-Fork-Disc-Specific_W0QQi­temZ140368343380QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_sp­ortsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR?hash=it­em20ae9af154

    On-one do some cheap wheels, as well as cheap hubs to have your own built. (I hear they will be offering some carbon 29er wheels soon, hmmmm)

  • I've got a pair of those exotic forks (26er version).
    They're beautifully made, solid as hell with no unwanted flex.

    Currently being run on a steamroller with CX tyres but I used them for offroading on my part time jump bike. Buy fit forget. Beautiful.

  • yeah, true... any thoughts on the Kona

    Made from Dedacciai COM 12.5 Butted Cromoly. Decent looking geometry, bit weird on the small, but such is the world of big wheels (I also ride a 16"). Pretty versatile if you suddenly want to run gears/v-brake/etc.
    mtbr.com/cat/bikes/29er/kona/­unit-2-9/PRD_365472_1548crx.aspx

    BTW that site has a great forum.

  • Personally I'd be more inclined to get a bike that can take gear such as teh surly or on one rather than a single speed only bike. That way you are covered for the future if you live somewhere else, go on a trip e.t.c

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